Talk:Albert Einstein


Einstein didn't say "nature does not play dice". He said "God does not play dice" and there's no reason to purge his religious conviction from the quote by replacing "God" with "nature" and starting the quote at the second wordPianomanty (talk) 04:04, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Can we avoid using the quote as a straight statement? It has been variously interpreted, for instance by Andrew Robinson in Nature three years ago,[1] then again in his 2019 book, Einstein on the Run, which has a full chapter discussing Einstein's beliefs about uncertainty and random chance in nature, titled "God Does Not Play Dice with the Universe". In both works, the quote is considered to be about how nature works, not about the actions of a deity figure. The same assessment is given by Max Jammer in the 2000 paper "Einstein and Religion". It's safe to say that Einstein was not attributing a deity-based universe when delivering the quote. Binksternet (talk) 18:58, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

I think the idea of adding a note with the original German and the various interpretations would be effective. This is usually what I find the most helpful when there is a statement translated from another language. Captain Cookie 20:25, 5 December 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaptainCookie (talkcontribs)

In addition, WP:OCEGRS also probably applies to a fair few of these. Detailed table below (something being "long-standing" does not give it any special privilege if it is factually wrong or if the LOCALCONSENSUS falls afoul of well established principles):

Category:Activists from New Jersey
Category:People from Princeton, New Jersey (Einstein is "from" neither of these places)
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Category:Charles University faculty (unsourced in infobox, no further comments elsewhere, not the location of any of his major works)
Category:Corresponding Members of the Russian Academy of Sciences (1917–1925) (no mention; do not confuse with "Prussian"...)
Category:Determinists ("He was skeptical that the randomness of quantum mechanics was fundamental rather than the result of determinism," is at best a passing mention, and would still not make this defining...)
Category:Foreign associates of the National Academy of Sciences
Category:Members of the United States National Academy of Sciences (no source provided to support either of these, the only mention in the article is "he accompanied representatives of the National Academy of Sciences", which does not imply that either)
Category:Foreign Fellows of the Indian National Science Academy
Category:Foreign Members of the Royal Society
Category:Honorary Members of the USSR Academy of Sciences
Category:Institute for Advanced Study faculty
Category:Leiden University faculty
Category:Members of the American Philosophical Society
Category:Members of the Bavarian Academy of Sciences
Category:Members of the Lincean Academy (all of these not mentioned beyond categories)
Category:Recipients of the Gold Medal of the Royal Astronomical Society
Category:Recipients of the Pour le Mérite (civil class) (neither of these awards is defining, but more importantly, no source is provided to support this anyway, nor are they mentioned in the prose of the article)