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Find correct nameThe airport is not listed as João Paulo II anywhere. The airport's own website calls itself simply Ponta Delgada, and has no mention of João Paulo.

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The template has been here almost a year, and needs resolution. Whoever placed it there in the first place would be doing everyone a favor if s/he would point out a few examples of what s/he judges to be original research, so that they can be corrected. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 16:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Just a quick OR observation: In Latin phonology and orthography § Vowels, it is pointed out that in inscriptions, short close and long mid vowels are often confused, indicating that they were pronounced fairly similarly, like near-close and near-close vowels [ɪ] : [eː] and [ʊ] : [oː], preparing the Italo-Western Romance quantity collapse. Maybe we should go further, though: This frequent confusion could also mean that their relative vowel spaces were already encroaching on each other, and overlapping at least partly, even if their qualities might not have merged yet completely. Or, in fact, their qualities hadalready merged, and they were only distinguished by their relative quantities. Either way, they were approaching each other in quality so much that the quantity collapse would immediately cause their merger once it occurred.

Now consider that dialects with Sardinian-type vowel systems (once apparently spoken in several regions in the south of Italy – not only Sardinia and perhaps Corsica) show almost no trace of this merger. This indicates that short /i/ was pronounced [i ~ ɪ], not [ɪ ~ e] in these dialects before a quantity collapse occurred in them too. Even if this development may ultimately have been triggered by a Greek adstratum, or some other kind of adstratum, this conclusion seems inevitable. Hence, there must have been a genuine difference in pronunciation between (regional?) varieties of Latin already in the Classical Latin period, perhaps as early as Cicero's time. And further,this (regional?) difference foreshadowed the split into dialects that developed the Italo-Western Romance vowel system and into dialects that developed the Sardinian-type vowel system (as well as dialects that developed Romanian-like "compromise" vowel systems, which may however originally have been dialects with Sardinian-type vowel systems that were overlaid by dialects with the apparently more mainstream Italo-Western system. (It is very suggestive to propose that the first type of pronunciation was found in more northern regions of the Roman Empire, being more mainstream, and the second type in more southern regions, although I do not know if there is evidence along the lines of vowel confusion being less common in inscriptions found in southern Italy, Sicily, Sardinia, Corsica and Africa.)))which may however originally have been dialects with Sardinian-type vowel systems that were overlaid by dialects with the apparently more mainstream Italo-Western system. (It is very suggestive to propose that the first type of pronunciation was found in more northern regions of the Roman Empire, being more mainstream, and the second type in more southern regions, although I do not know if there is evidence along the lines of vowel confusion being less common in inscriptions found in southern Italy, Sicily, Sardinia, Corsica and Africa.)which may however originally have been dialects with Sardinian-type vowel systems that were overlaid by dialects with the apparently more mainstream Italo-Western system. (It is very suggestive to propose that the first type of pronunciation was found in more northern regions of the Roman Empire, being more mainstream, and the second type in more southern regions, although I do not know if there is evidence along the lines of vowel confusion being less common in inscriptions found in southern Italy, Sicily, Sardinia, Corsica and Africa.)although I do not know if there is evidence along the lines of vowel confusion being less common in inscriptions found in southern Italy, Sicily, Sardinia, Corsica and Africa.)although I do not know if there is evidence along the lines of vowel confusion being less common in inscriptions found in southern Italy, Sicily, Sardinia, Corsica and Africa.)