Template talk:History of Kosovo


The image in the template is the Coat of Arms of the unrecognized "Republic of Kosovo", an entity supported only by the Kosovar Albanians. The Republic of Serbia, i.e. the "Serbian side" of the dispute does not recognize the "Republic of Kosovo", and neither do the Kosovar Serbs. To my knowledge, Wikipedia supports a neutral point of view in this dispute, and does not favor either side. The CoA is a symbol of the Albanian entity, hence it is Albanian POV. It is not a "symbol of Kosovo" as the Serbian enclaves are within Kosovo as well, acknowledging only the government in Belgrade and the UN, which also does not recognize the "Republic of Kosovo" (or its symbols). --DIREKTOR (TALK) 16:59, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


Ah, here we go... Kosovo is an independent case, not to be guided by precedents, only by policy (like WP:NPOV, for example). But I'll humor you just to illustrate my point:

As for your other point: "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and a citizen of one of the countries interested in learning about the regional developments, would also expect to see symbols of the newborn state." That's a nice bit of baseless speculation, but I'm afraid its not really an argument (this is an encyclopedia!? no kidding?). The CoA is in violation of WP:NPOV in that it is a symbol of only one side of the dispute. Concerning the last link in the template, it is completely pro-Albanian. The "Republic of Kosovo" is a disputed unrecognized political entity which, as far as Wikipedia is concerned, exists 'alongside' the "Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija". How is calling the Kosovo article "Republic of Kosovo" neutral? Not only it it not neutral, but its incorrect and misleading.
Also, I'd appreciate it if you didn't revert edits until discussion is over, as is standard practice in controversial topics. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 08:24, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Word games. The template quite clearly does not state Kosovo is a country, or a region, or an autonomous province or... anything, for that matter. I'm just trying to make the template as neutral as is required by the extremely controversial nature of the dispute. The Serbian minority does not recognize the insignia of the Republic of Kosovo as representative of anything, and neither does Serbia, or the UN for that matter. This CoA has never been used to represent the region itself, only the Republic of Kosovo. To use it in that capacity on Wikipedia would be completely incorrect.
Look guys, I don't see your argument here. Both sides of the Kosovo dispute should be represented equally, even the Kosovo article has two infoboxes ffs. I'm sorry, but I don't comprehend how using the Coat of Arms of the Republic of Kosovo, and calling today's Kosovo the "Republic of Kosovo" is anywhere near neutrality. The template in its former state was exactly the way it would be if there was no highly volitile dispute raging everywhere, and Kosovo was a fully and indisputably independent state(!) Kosovo simply isn't there (yet), Wikipedia recognizes this. So should this template. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 12:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Wikipedia recognizes this. Have a look at the Kosovo article and the Kosovo ARBCOM. Both sides are to be represented painfully equally. Zero favoritism either way.
"You are merely reverting and alterting this template to a version that is POV while twisting the actions of others to make it seem as though we are doing that." That's your opinion. While its generally nice to share opinions I hope your next post will address one of the arguments I've presented. And PLEASE stop edit-warring. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 12:39, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

(It follows that a symbol of an incorrect term is equally as incorrect in depicting the topic.) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 12:56, 19 April 2009 (UTC)