NFILM states that a film is likely to be notable if it has "full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics." To me, this means a critic that is notable enough to have their own Wikipedia article. Just because a critic has written for a website that is available (as all websites are!) worldwide, that does not make them "nationally known". This question stems from the deletion discussion for Art Machine, where a film that doesn't come close to passing GNG is getting "keep" votes based on reviews from unknown critics on three websites (in addition, one of the sites is probably not an RS). What say you, community? Wes sideman (talk) 11:00, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
While the "nationally-known critic" criteria may be applicable for USA or European countries (with fairly homogenus linguistic tradition in each country), the scenario in the case of India can be very different. The critic of films in one language (say, Tamil language) may be unknown in the media that discusse Hindi language or Bengali language films. For comparison, a nationally-known French language film critic may be not be well-known in Spain. However, France and Spain being two separate countries, there is no issues regarding notability criteria of films, as the critics are well-known in the individual countries.
Since language and countries are different things, should not we use critics well-known in that particular languages's film-related media/literature, rather than whether they are well-known in a country? Dwaipayan (talk) 08:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
I'd support rewording the criterion for clarity, but the consensus position is indeed that what's required is not necessarily that the critic themselves is individually famous (although that may indeed be the case sometimes), but that a review is still valid support for notability so long the publication that it appears in is an established and WP:GNG-worthy publication. We don't have standalone articles about Canadian film critics such as Radheyan Simonpillai or Norman Wilner or Craig Takeuchi, for example, but their film reviews most certainly are acceptable for establishing the notability of a film because they do appear in reliable source media.
Another thing to keep in mind is that with so many media outlets cutting back on their original arts reporting due to the media profitability crunch, more and more film reviewing is moving to exclusively online platforms such as RogerEbert.com or That Shelf or The Spool — and while some of those certainly qualify as reliable and notability-building reviews as well (for example, nobody in their right mind would ever challenge the legitimacy of a review by a writer at RogerEbert.com, given its legacy connection to probably the single most famous film critic in world history) there are others that would not (e.g. an amateur film critic reviewing films on his or her own self-published Blogspot). So obviously we still have to check for the reliability of a film review platform, but the solidity and reliability of the publication that is publishing the review counts for every bit as much as the established fame of the individual critic named in the byline. Bearcat (talk) 15:08, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
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