How should UK churches be sorted in categories in en.wiki? For background, including links to previous inconclusive discussions, please see the section #DEFAULTSORT for churches above. Note that articles on UK churches have a wide variety of title formats. Consider St Chad's Church, Far Headingley, but also:
The practice of expanding "St" or "St." to "Saint" is mandated by WP:SORTKEY and appears uncontroversial, so "Sort by article title" or similar, in this RfC, can be taken to mean "Sort by title with "St" expanded to "Saint" (and with a leading "The" removed in rare cases)".
The only existing guidance on sortkeys appears to be that at WP:SORTKEY, which includes the option that "Systematic sort keys are also used in other categories where the logical sort order is not alphabetical (for example, individual month articles in year categories such as Category:2004 use sort keys like "*2004-04" for April). Again, such systems must be used consistently within a category.
". There is no one Wikiproject dedicated to UK churches, though they come within the interests of many Wikiprojects: Christianity and its denominational subprojects; Architecture; United Kingdom; and UK geography and its country, county or regional subprojects. Categories is also relevant. There seems no obvious place to record the consensus with which this RfC will close, but an archived RfC lodged in the wiki-memory of a variety of editors will be useful. If agreement can be reached, we can (a) move towards consistent sorting within categories and (b) avoid conflict between editors and time wasted in changing DEFAULTSORTs. PamD 06:46, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
I recommend that we change all categories with "Countries" in them, to "Sovereign states". That way, we won't have any disputes about whether England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, should be included or not. GoodDay (talk) 05:54, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
@DeFacto: & @Titus Gold:, I think my proposal will help solve some problems. I know years ago, changing the page List of countries to List of sovereign states, did. GoodDay (talk) 06:04, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
@Matt Lunker:, what's your take on the inclusion/exclusion for these categories? GoodDay (talk) 21:32, 15 August 2022 (UTC)