Talk:Operation Barbarossa


The source from the soviet losses (Krivosheev, G. F. (1997). Soviet Casualties and Combat Losses in the Twentieth Century. Greenhill Books. ISBN 978-1853672804.) is not considered correct now.

Maybe (The Price of Victory: The Red Army's Casualties in the Great Patriotic War Book by Boris Kavalerchik and Lev Lopukhovsky) would be a better source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.120.191.60 (talk) 11:34, 11 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The map where dark grey represents countries in firm Nazi control should include their business partners too, namely Sweden which even offered Nazi passage via North Sweden to attack USSR. Who made the map could edit it to include Switzerland and Sweden to be fair. Or take away Finland whose marshall vehemently opposed Nazi doctrines despite opposing communists. ToniTurunen (talk) 09:52, 24 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@GeneralizationsAreBad:@Kierzek:@K.e.coffman:@Diannaa:@Beyond My Ken:@Nick-D: Since there is a disagreement between myself and sbb about citing the series Germany and the Second World War (which I own and reference regularly on Wikipedia) which consists of 13 volumes, I am recommending the title to be cited in accordance with the Chicago Manual of Style (preferred by academic historians), whereas user Sbb insists that it be treated exclusively to Wikipedia guidelines. My recommendation also takes into account that the volume titles are not listed separately in catalogs or even on Amazon for instance. When scholars (historians) cite this work, it appears this way: Germany and the Second World War, Volume IV: The Attack on the Soviet Union. Sbb is insisting that the title be "The Attack on the Soviet Union" which is the volume title, vice the series. My solution of including them both in this case alleviates confusion for the average reader. Nonetheless, I am always amenable to consensus opinion so with that in mind, I raise this to other editors so we can reconcile this one way or another. Please annotate your support or rejection of either proposal.

The |series= and |volume= fields in the {{cite}} templates provide semantic information, describing the individual pieces of bibliographic information in an exchangeable manner via COinS metadata. We should describe what the information is. If the CS1 or CS2 citation style is confusing or illegible to readers, we should petition to change their generated output, rather than drop semantic distinction, misuse, or malform data in the fields to format it how we wish it to be seen. sbb (talk) 19:02, 21 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I agree with sbb: the series name should not be included as part of the title, since we have a dedicated field for that information. I say this even though WorldCat lists it the other way, and the cover of the book has the series title in a larger font. — Diannaa (talk) 02:03, 22 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]