Инструкции для администратора
Перенаправления для обсуждения ( RfD ) - это место, где обсуждаются потенциально проблемные перенаправления . Элементы обычно остаются в списке в течение недели или около того, после чего они удаляются, сохраняются или перенаправляются.
- Если вы хотите заменить незащищенный редирект статьей, не указывайте его здесь. Полностью приветствуется преобразование перенаправлений в статьи. Смелее !
- Если вы хотите переместить страницу, но вам мешает переадресация, не указывайте ее здесь. По не спорным случаям размещайте технический запрос ; если требуется обсуждение, начните запрошенный ход .
- Если вы думаете, что перенаправление указывает на неправильную целевую статью, это хорошее место для обсуждения того, что должно быть правильной целью.
- Редиректы не следует удалять только потому, что в них нет входящих ссылок. Пожалуйста, не используйте это как единственную причину для удаления перенаправления. Тем не менее, переадресовывает , что делать есть входящие ссылки иногда удаляется, так что это не является достаточным условием для хранения. (Дополнительную информацию см. В § Когда следует удалять перенаправление? ).
Пожалуйста, не меняйте цель перенаправления, пока она обсуждается. Это добавляет ненужного усложнения дискуссии как для потенциальных близких, так и для участников.
Перед включением редиректа в обсуждение
Помните об этих общих правилах, которые применяются здесь, как и везде:
- Википедия: Перенаправление - что такое перенаправления, почему они существуют и как используются.
- Википедия: Критерии быстрого удаления - какие страницы можно удалить без обсуждения; в частности разделы « Общие » и « Перенаправления ».
- Википедия: Политика удаления - как мы удаляем вещи консенсусом.
- Википедия: Руководство по удалению - рекомендации по формату обсуждения и сокращению.
Руководящие принципы РФД
- Цель хорошего перенаправления - исключить возможность того, что читатели обнаружат, что тупо смотрят на «Результаты поиска 1–10 из 378» вместо статьи, которую они искали. Если кто-то может правдоподобно ввести имя перенаправления при поиске целевой статьи, это хорошее перенаправление.
- Перенаправления дешевы . Они занимают мало места для хранения и используют очень небольшую полосу пропускания. Это не повредит вещам, если их несколько разбросаны вокруг. С другой стороны, удаление перенаправлений также обходится дешево, потому что запись удаления занимает мало места в хранилище и использует очень небольшую полосу пропускания. Нет никакого вреда в удалении проблемных редиректов.
- Если добросовестная номинация RfD предлагает удалить перенаправление и не обсуждается в течение как минимум 7 дней, результатом по умолчанию является удаление .
- Перенаправления, назначенные в нарушение Википедии: Перенаправление будет быстро сохранено .
- RfD также может служить центральным дискуссионным форумом для обсуждения того, на какую страницу следует нацелить перенаправление. В случаях, когда перенаправление перенаправления может считаться спорным, рекомендуется оставить уведомление на странице обсуждения текущей целевой страницы перенаправления или предлагаемой целевой страницы, чтобы направить читателей к назначению перенаправления, чтобы разрешить ввод и помочь сформировать консенсус для перенаправления. цель.
- Запросы на удаление переадресации с одной страницы обсуждения на другую страницу не нужно перечислять здесь. Кто угодно может удалить перенаправление, очистив страницу. G6 критерий для быстрого удаления может быть целесообразным.
- В обсуждениях всегда спрашивайте себя, поможет ли переадресация читателю.
Когда следует удалять редирект?
Основные причины, по которым удаление перенаправлений вредно :
- редирект может содержать нетривиальную историю редактирования;
- если перенаправление достаточно старое (или является результатом перемещения страницы, которая находилась там довольно долгое время), то возможно, что его удаление нарушит входящие ссылки (такие ссылки, поступающие из более старых версий страниц Википедии, из сводок редактирования , из других проектов Викимедиа или из других источников в Интернете , не отображаются в разделе «Какие ссылки здесь» ).
Поэтому рассматривайте удаление только вредоносных перенаправлений или недавних.
Причины удаления
Вы можете удалить перенаправление, если выполняется одно или несколько из следующих условий ( но обратите внимание также на исключения, перечисленные под этим списком ):
- Страница перенаправления неоправданно затрудняет пользователям поиск статей с похожими названиями через поисковую систему. Например, если пользователь выполняет поиск по запросу «Новые статьи» и перенаправляется на страницу разрешения неоднозначности для «Статей», ему потребуется гораздо больше времени, чтобы перейти к недавно добавленным статьям в Википедии.
- Перенаправление может вызвать путаницу. Например, если «Адам Б. Смит» был перенаправлен на «Эндрю Б. Смит», потому что Эндрю был случайно назван Адамом в одном источнике, это могло вызвать путаницу со статьей об Адаме Смите , поэтому перенаправление следует удалить.
- Перенаправление является оскорбительным или оскорбительным, например, перенаправление «Блог Джо - неудачник» на «Блог Джо» (если в статье законно не обсуждается «Блоггс Джо» на «Неудачник»). ( Могут применяться критерии быстрого удаления G10 и G3 .)
- Перенаправление представляет собой саморекламу или спам. ( Может применяться критерий быстрого удаления G11 .)
- Перенаправление не имеет смысла, например перенаправление «Apple» на «Orange». ( Может применяться критерий быстрого удаления G1 .)
- Это перекрестное перенаправление пространства имен из пространства статьи, например перенаправление в пространство имен User или Wikipedia. Основным исключением из этого правила являются перенаправления ярлыков псевдо-пространства имен , которые технически находятся в основном пространстве статьи. Некоторые давние перенаправления между пространствами имен также сохраняются из-за их давней истории и потенциальной полезности. Например, перенаправления « MOS: » являются исключением из этого правила. (Примечание «РГ:» перенаправление в пространстве имен Википедии, WP: будучи псевдонимом для Википедии: . Speedy критерий удаления R2 может также применяться , если если редирект из основных пунктов статьи пространства имен к категории: , Шаблон: , Википедия: , Help: и Portal: пространства имен.)
- Если перенаправление не работает, то есть перенаправляет на несуществующую статью, ее можно немедленно удалить в соответствии с критерием быстрого удаления G8 , хотя вы должны убедиться, что нет альтернативного места, куда оно могло бы быть соответствующим образом перенаправлено первым.
- Если переадресация является новым или очень малоизвестным синонимом названия статьи, она вряд ли будет полезна. В частности, как правило, не следует создавать перенаправления на языке, отличном от английского, на страницу, тема которой не связана с этим языком (или культурой, которая говорит на этом языке). Недопустимые опечатки или неправильные названия являются кандидатами на критерий быстрого удаления R3 , если они были созданы недавно.
- Если целевую статью нужно переместить в заголовок перенаправления, но перенаправление было отредактировано ранее и имеет собственную историю, тогда заголовок необходимо освободить, чтобы освободить место для перемещения. Если ход не вызывает сомнений, пометьте перенаправление для быстрого удаления G6 или, в качестве альтернативы (с
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правом пользователя; доступно для переносчиков страниц и администраторов), выполните циклическое перемещение . Если нет, отнесите статью к Запрошенным ходам . - Если редирект может быть расширен до статьи, а целевая статья практически не содержит информации по теме.
Причины не удаления
Однако не удаляйте такие перенаправления, если:
- У них есть потенциально полезная история страниц или история редактирования, которую следует вести в соответствии с требованиями лицензирования для слияния (см. Википедия: Слияние и удаление ). С другой стороны, если перенаправление было создано путем переименования страницы с этим именем, а в истории страниц просто упоминается переименование, и по одной из вышеуказанных причин вы хотите удалить страницу, скопируйте историю страницы на страницу обсуждения статья, на которую он перенаправляет. Акт переименования полезен для истории страниц, и тем более, если было обсуждение имени страницы.
- Они могут способствовать случайному связыванию и снизить вероятность создания дублирующих статей , будь то перенаправление множественного числа на единственное, перенаправление частых орфографических ошибок на правильное написание, перенаправление неправильного названия на правильный термин, перенаправление на синоним и т. Д. Другими словами, перенаправления без входящих ссылок не являются кандидатами на удаление по этим причинам, потому что они полезны для просматривающего пользователя. От редакторов потребуется некоторая дополнительная бдительность, чтобы свести к минимуму появление этих частых орфографических ошибок в текстах статей, потому что связанные с ними орфографические ошибки не будут отображаться как неработающие ссылки.
- Они помогают поиску на определенных условиях. Например, если кто-то увидит где-то упомянутое «состояние краеугольного камня », но не знает, к чему это относится, то он или она сможет узнать об этом в статье о Пенсильвании (целевой).
- Вы рискуете сломать входящие или внутренние ссылки, удалив перенаправление. Например, перенаправления, возникающие в результате перемещения страниц, обычно не следует удалять без уважительной причины. Ссылки, которые существовали в течение значительного периода времени, включая ссылки CamelCase и ссылки на старые подстраницы , следует оставить в покое на случай, если на внешних страницах есть какие-либо существующие ссылки, указывающие на них.
- Кто-то считает их полезными. Подсказка: если кто-то говорит, что считает редирект полезным, вероятно, так оно и есть. Возможно, вы не сочтете это полезным - это не потому, что другой человек лжет, а потому, что вы просматриваете Википедию по-разному. Инструмент просмотра страниц также может свидетельствовать о внешней полезности.
- Редирект к тесно связанной форме слова, такие как форма множественного числа к форме единственного числа .
Нейтральность редиректов
Подобно тому, как заголовки статей, использующие ненейтральный язык , разрешены в некоторых случаях , такие переадресации разрешены . Поскольку переадресация менее заметна для читателей, в их именах допускается большая свобода. Таким образом, предполагаемое отсутствие нейтральности в именах переадресации не является достаточной причиной для их удаления. В большинстве случаев ненейтральные, но поддающиеся проверке перенаправления должны указывать на статьи с нейтральным заголовком, посвященные теме термина. Ненейтральные перенаправления могут быть помечены .{{R from non-neutral name}}
Ненейтральные перенаправления обычно создаются по трем причинам:
- Статьи, созданные с использованием ненейтральных заголовков, обычно перемещаются в новое нейтральное заголовок, которое оставляет старое ненейтральное заголовок в качестве рабочего перенаправления (например, разногласия по электронной почте Climategate → Climatic Research Unit ).
- Статьи, созданные как вилки POV, могут быть удалены и заменены перенаправлением, указывающим на статью, из которой возникла вилка (например, мусульманский слух Барака Обамы → удален и теперь перенаправлен на теорию заговора религии Барака Обамы ).
- Тематика статей может быть представлена некоторыми источниками за пределами Википедии в ненейтральных терминах. Таких терминов обычно избегают в заголовках статей Википедии, чтобы избежать рекомендаций и общей политики нейтральной точки зрения . Например, ненейтральное выражение « Attorneygate » используется для перенаправления на нейтрально названный спор об увольнении американских поверенных . В статье, о которой идет речь, никогда не использовалось это название, но перенаправление было создано, чтобы предоставить альтернативный способ добраться до него, поскольку этот термин используется в ряде сообщений прессы.
Исключениями из этого правила будут перенаправления, которые не являются установленными условиями и вряд ли будут полезны, и поэтому могут быть номинированы на удаление, возможно, по причине удаления № 3 . Однако, если перенаправление представляет собой установленный термин, который используется в нескольких основных надежных источниках , его следует сохранить, даже если он не является нейтральным, поскольку он облегчит поиск по таким условиям. Помните, что RfD - не то место, где разрешается большинство редакционных споров.
Заключительные примечания
- Подробности в: Инструкции для администратора RfD .
Номинации должны оставаться открытыми в соответствии с политикой примерно за неделю до их закрытия, если они не соответствуют общим критериям быстрого удаления , критериям быстрого удаления перенаправления или не являются действительными запросами на обсуждение перенаправления (например, фактически являются запросами на перемещение ).
Как выставить редирект для обсуждения
Я . | Отметьте перенаправление. Войдите в самое начало страницы перенаправления, которую вы указываете для обсуждения, и войдите в самый конец страницы.
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II . | Перечислите запись на RfD. Щелкните здесь, чтобы отредактировать раздел RfD для сегодняшних записей.
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III . | Уведомлять пользователей. Обычно считается хорошей практикой уведомлять создателя и основных участников перенаправления о том, что вы назначаете перенаправление. могут быть размещены на странице обсуждения создателя / основных участников для уведомления об обсуждении. Пожалуйста, замените RedirectName имя перенаправления и используйте сводку редактирования, например:Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]] Уведомления об обсуждении RFD также можно оставлять на соответствующих страницах обсуждения. |
- Пожалуйста, подумайте об использовании здесь ссылок What, чтобы найти другие перенаправления, которые могут быть связаны с тем, который вы назначаете. После перехода на целевую страницу перенаправления и выбора «Какие ссылки здесь» на панели инструментов в левой части экрана компьютера выберите фильтры «Скрыть включения» и «Скрыть ссылки», чтобы отобразить перенаправления на целевую страницу перенаправления.
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- RAF → Royal Air Force ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика ) [Closure: (@subpage) ]
На Talk: Royal Air Force (Архив 2) уже 6 лет идет дискуссия о том, следует ли сохранить перенаправление или указать его на RAF (значения) в свете немецкой террористической организации с тем же аббревиатурой.
Просмотры страниц предполагают, что основной темы нет, поскольку у Королевских ВВС постоянно примерно в 2 раза больше просмотров страниц, чем у Фракции Красной Армии; отсюда ... обсуждение «точка-новая-цель»? LenaAvrelia ( разговор ) 22:37, 30 мая 2021 (UTC)
- Комментарий . Вопрос о том, будут ли Королевские военно-воздушные силы по-прежнему основной темой или нет, является вопросом для запрошенного обсуждения перемещения , поскольку вопрос будет заключаться в том, переводить ли RAF (значения) в RAF . Я мог видеть, что основной темы нет, но я не вижу, чтобы основная тема была изменена на Фракцию Красной Армии. Mdewman6 ( разговорное ) 22:57, 30 мая 2021 (UTC)
Шаблон: Uw-useless1
- Шаблон: Uw-useless1 → Шаблон: Uw-test1 ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика ) [Закрытие: (@subpage) ]
Неиспользуемое, слегка оскорбительное перенаправление на {{ uw-test1 }}. - Джо ( разговор ) 16:56, 30 мая 2021 г. (UTC)
- Удалить. Я считаю это бесполезным. 🪐Kepler-1229b | говорить | contribs🪐 17:40, 30 мая 2021 г. (UTC)
- Примечание: есть также перенаправления в Template: Uw-useless3 и Template: Uw-useless4 (но не Template: Uw-useless2 ), которые можно добавить в это обсуждение. - Эврика Лотт 18:11, 30 мая 2021 г. (UTC)
Житель островов Тихого океана (перепись США)
- Житель островов Тихого океана (перепись США) → Раса и этническая принадлежность в переписи населения США ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика ) [Закрытие: (@subpage) ]
Должен быть изменен на американцев с тихоокеанских островов , поскольку эта статья более подробно объясняет, что является предметом обитателей тихоокеанских островов (переписи населения США) . Ajshul 😃 15:56, 30 мая 2021 (UTC)
- Ретаргетинг по ном. Бюро переписи населения США определяет коренного жителя Гавайев или других тихоокеанских островов как
человека, имеющего происхождение от любого из
коренныхнародов Гавайев, Гуама, Самоа или других островов Тихого океана
, что согласуется со статьей о американцах с тихоокеанских островов . - Эврика Лотт 16:28, 30 мая 2021 г. (UTC)
Пуховики
- PuffballsUnited → Среди нас ( обсуждение · ссылки · история )
Ни у кого из других разработчиков среди нас нет переадресации. Кроме того, Puffballs был известен тем, что создал серию «Генри Стикмин» за десять лет до выхода «Среди нас». Я не понимаю, чем полезен этот редирект, - HighlyLogicalVulcan ( разговор ) 17:31, 14 мая 2021 г. (UTC)
- Keep Forest Willard перенаправляет на Among Us . И он разработчик игры. Зай ( 💬 • 📝 • ⚡️ ) 17:47, 14 мая 2021 г. (UTC)
- Удалить вместе с упоминанием его псевдонима в статье. Я не верю, что это политика Википедии - перечислять дескрипторы каждого человека, который работает с медиа, и кто использует его в качестве псевдонима, если только этот человек не является медийной личностью, широко известной под этим дескриптором. ZXCVBNM ( РАЗГОВОР ) 01:27, 16 мая 2021 г. (UTC)
Пожалуйста, добавьте новые комментарии под этим уведомлением. Спасибо, ✗ plicit 23:51, 21 мая 2021 г. (UTC)
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- Удалить по номеру и Zxcvbnm. - Dyl х 17:56, 30 мая 2021 (UTC)
US-amerikanisch
- US-amerikanisch → American ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика ) [Closure: (@subpage) ]
- US-amerikanischer → American ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика ) [Closure: (@subpage) ]
Кажется, это неправильный WP: RLOTE , удалите, если не может быть предоставлено обоснование. подписали, Rosguill разговор 18:31, 13 мая 2021 (UTC)
- Комментарий. Используется ли это каким-либо образом в пенсильванском голландском языке? ЕСЛИ нет, то удалите - 67.70.27.105 ( обсуждение ) 00:59, 14 мая 2021 года (UTC)
Пожалуйста, добавьте новые комментарии под этим уведомлением. Спасибо,- Compassionate727 ( T · C ) 15:32, 21 мая 2021 (UTC)
- Нацелить на Demonyms_for_the_United_States # International_use , который не упоминает этот термин специфический, или сохранить . Я не знаю, как проверить, используется ли демоним в пенсильванском голландском языке, но немецкий язык уже является общепринятым языком в Соединенных Штатах. - Прачечная Пицца 03 ( d c̄ ) 15:32, 22 мая 2021 г. (UTC)
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Грамматика нацистского
- Грамматика нацизма → викисловарь: грамматика нацизма ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика ) [Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Грамматика нацизма → Грамматика нацизма ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика ) [Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Грамматика нацистов → Грамматика нацистов ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика ) [Закрытие: (@subpage) ]
Грамматика нацистского языка была перенаправлена на лингвистические предписания в 2007 году после AFD . В 2012 году его превратили в мягкое перенаправление на wikt: grammar Nazi , затем 18 месяцев спустя обратно в статью, а затем через несколько месяцев вернули к исходной цели. RFD 2016 г. сохранил эту цель для него, а также для двух {{ предотвращение двойного перенаправления }}, также перечисленных здесь.
Buidhe теперь превратил его обратно в мягкий редирект. Удивительно, но на хорошо посещаемом RFD '16 этот вариант существенно не обсуждался, поэтому я думаю, что для нее было разумным проявить смелость здесь. Однако я действительно считаю, что предыдущий консенсус был правильным. Предлагаю восстановить старую мишень . Перенаправления в викисловарь полезны, когда у нас нет статьи, описывающей концепцию, и вряд ли когда-либо. Однако «грамматика нацизма» относится к концепции, описанной в лингвистическом прескриптивизме . То, что в статье этот термин не упоминается, далеко не идеально, но нет требования, чтобы термин упоминался на целевой странице; в частности, часто не упоминаются оскорбительные термины. Если вас беспокоит то, что некоторые читатели могут набрать «Грамматика нацизма», не зная, что это означает, и не понять связи, мы всегда можем использовать сноску , которая дает {{See Wiktionary||grammar Nazi|term|redirect=Grammar Nazi}}
"Грамматика нацизма" перенаправляется сюда. Определение термина «грамматика нацистов» см. В статье грамматики нацистов в Викисловаре .
Наконец, о процедурном примечании: грамматика нацистского языка была неправильно внесена в CSD в 2018 году. Я заметил это при составлении этого RFD и обратил на это внимание уховертки , которая восстановила его. Просто объясню эту последовательность событий на случай, если кому-то интересно, почему он был восстановлен и подвергнут RFD в такой быстрой последовательности.
- Тамзин (она / они, без прив.) | о токи тава ми. 01:40, 23 мая 2021 (UTC)
- Я не думаю, что это хороший результат, поскольку «грамматика нацизма» даже не упоминается в «лингвистическом перскриптивизме». Эти две концепции не эквивалентны, и у Викисловаря есть лучшее объяснение, чем у Википедии. ( t · c ) buidhe 01:42, 23 мая 2021 (UTC)
- Поразмыслив, я также не думаю, что сноска о лингвистическом персриптивизме - это хорошая идея, поскольку я думаю, что она придаст слишком большое значение этому уничижительному ярлыку. ( t · c ) buidhe 08:32, 23 мая 2021 (UTC)
- Удалить - я действительно не вижу причин, по которым WP связывает этот оскорбительный термин с чем-либо. И его почти никогда не видели в книгах , гораздо реже, чем Soup Nazi , пока в 2007 году его не связала Википедия; мы не должны этого делать. Диклион ( разговор ) 03:31, 23 мая 2021 (UTC)
- Удалить - как один из тех, кто наиболее активно работал над лингвистическими предписаниями , я бы возражал против ссылки. Во-первых, потому, что люди, которые используют эту фразу, не говорят о практике лингвистических предписаний, как это обсуждается в этой статье. А во-вторых (хотя это может быть личное мнение и неуместное, но это сильная обратная реакция), потому что любой, кто серьезно изучал нацистов, должен возражать против упрощения ужасов того периода, которые подразумеваются под словом «нацистский». означать «любой, с кем я не согласен». Мы не стремимся иметь статью в Википедии о каждом слове только потому, что это слово. Здесь нет энциклопедической темы. - Дорик Лун ( разговорное ) 17:02, 23 мая 2021 г. (UTC)
- Все таргетированные языковые рецепты (слабо); Следует помнить о RNEUTRAL: кажущееся отсутствие нейтральности в именах перенаправления не является достаточной причиной для их удаления. По крайней мере, в значительной части случаев этот термин никоим образом не подразумевается уничижительно. Читатель, который не слышал об этом термине, по крайней мере, получает некоторое представление о том, о чем идет речь, будучи направленным на предложенную цель. Часто он не является нейтральным, это не имеет значения, учитывая, что это, безусловно, правдоподобный поисковый запрос. - J947 ‡ сообщение ⁓ редактирует 20:02, 23 мая 2021 (UTC)
- Сохраняйте и ориентируйтесь на лингвистические предписания. WP: NOTCENSORED , Википедия не подвергается цензуре, и это очень популярный термин. Его удаление означало бы цензуру широко используемого термина. Это буквально ярлык, используемый для описания человека, который очень строго придерживается лингвистических предписаний, поэтому цель должна быть именно такой. Запись викисловаря может быть добавлена в раздел См. Также - 67.70.27.180 ( обсуждение ) 04:09, 24 мая 2021 г. (UTC)
- Оставить как есть . Термин «быть оскорбительным и необычным в книгах» не звучит для меня как убедительный аргумент в пользу того, что нам не следует размещать на нем страницу, потому что это абсолютно общий термин в культуре в целом, и мы объективно охватываем еще много ужасных вещей. Но я согласен с Буиде в том, что примечание о лингвистических предписаниях придает этому слишком большое значение, и я согласен с Дориком Лун в том, что это в любом случае не лучшая цель. Все это приводит меня к выводу, что текущая ситуация - лучшее, что у нас есть. - The Earwig ( разговор ) 03:53, 25 мая 2021 г. (UTC)
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- Ориентируйте всех на лингвистические предписания . Полезный поисковый запрос. Отнести к категории {{ R от связанного слова }}. Mdewman6 ( разговорное ) 01:23, 30 мая 2021 (UTC)
Татарская Империя
- Татарская Империя → Список теорий заговора ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика ) [Закрытие: (@subpage) ]
Хотя это пример теории заговора (см. Эту недавнюю статью CityLab ), насколько я могу судить, он никогда не упоминался в целевом списке. Удалить на WP: RFD # DELETE , пункт 10, и поощрять создание статьи. - Эврика Лотт, 01:07, 30 мая 2021 г. (UTC)
Южный край
- Саут-Рим → Гранд-Каньон ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика ) [Закрытие: (@subpage) ]
- North Rim → Национальный парк Гранд-Каньон ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика ) [Закрытие: (@subpage) ]
- Северный край Гранд-Каньона → Гранд-Каньон ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика ) [Закрытие: (@subpage) ]
These likely should all target the same place and could target appropriate sections at one of these pages. I am not sure what target is best, and these are also somewhat ambiguous terms. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:26, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget all to Grand Canyon National Park. While the North and South Rims technically extend all along the canyon outside the park boundaries, the term is most commonly used for the developed places within the park. MB 00:54, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. There is also the North Rim, Arizona stub that should be reconciled with all this as well. Mdewman6 (talk) 04:18, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget all of the above to Grand Canyon National Park. The "south rim" (lower case) is an adjective plus a common noun; it refers to the entire southern rim of the canyon. The "South Rim" (upper case) is a proper name, defined by usage; it refers to the central portion of the south rim, located within Grand Canyon National Park. "North Rim" and "north rim" are defined in a similar fashion. Ideally, the lower case versions would redirect to "Grand Canyon", but I don't even know if that's possible, and in any case would be horribly confusing to most folks. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 05:36, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Colorado Canyon
- Colorado Canyon → Grand Canyon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Could also refer to other canyons on the river such as Black Canyon of the Colorado, or other canyons in the state of Colorado, such as Black Canyon of the Gunnison. Disambiguate or delete as ambiguous search term. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:15, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- I suggest disambiguation. Add the McInnis Canyons National Conservation Area. --Error (talk) 21:33, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- There are far more, such as Marble Canyon and Glenwood Canyon and others described at Course of the Colorado River. Add to that any canyon in Colorado state, what we're talking about is a dab page (or more likely, a set index or List article) that would be a combination of List of canyons of the Colorado River and List of canyons in Colorado. This term is just too ambiguous and would need a major List article to cover properly. I'm fine if someone wants to undertake that, but in the meantime, I favor deletion. Mdewman6 ( talk) 22:08, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Grand canynon
- Grand canynon → Grand Canyon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
A miscapitalization plus a misspelling make this an unlikely search term that merits deletion so as to not clutter search results. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:06, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
May 29
Boris Johnson is a Fucking C**t
- Boris Johnson is a Fucking C**t → Kunt and the Gang#Discography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Wikipedia is not censored, and this appears to be a redirect with a censored title. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 20:06, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep valid bowdlerized {{r from incorrect name}}. Looking at Google search, this censored form does appear to be used at least occasionally, such as in the headline (though not body, curiously) of this NME article. We've got plenty of redirects along the lines of F**k, N****r, etc., and indeed C**t. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 22:01, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Weak keep per Tamzin, though I'm not sure how useful it really is -- "use in title but not body" seems like the kind of censorship enforced by copyeditors. Vaticidalprophet 22:04, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - We don't censor, but the encyclopedia does not exist to become a secret repository for every hidden sentiment someone wants keep on file. Nor do we usually keep redirects to every song title that is not eligible as a stand-alone page. We should probably consider that this redirect has been created so someone can use it as a hidden message link on various pages. This serves no encyclopedic purpose. — Maile (talk) 20:54, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Actinium(II) fluoride
- Actinium(II) fluoride → Actinium fluoride (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Target is about Actinium(III) fluoride (+3 oxidation state); no mention of a compound with the +2 oxidation state in the article. Delete to avoid confusion. Mdewman6 (talk) 17:19, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, compound does not exist. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:43, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
TLC Beatrice
- TLC Beatrice → Reginald Lewis#Business (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Shouldn't this redirect to Beatrice Foods, the company this was split off from, if at all? Paul_012 (talk) 19:29, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep. I think there's more about TLC Beatrice at Reginald Lewis than there is at the other article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:21, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Radio 1 music for lady diana
- Radio 1 music for lady diana → Death of Diana, Princess of Wales (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in the target article. Dominicmgm (talk) 14:50, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. This was originally an unsourced stub listing the music played on Radio 1 after the death of Diana, Princess of Wales. It was quickly marked for merging into the present target but was redirected instead. Thryduulf (talk) 20:27, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
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Maryland Department of Housing and Community Development
- Maryland Department of Housing and Community Development → Government of Maryland (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Only mention at target page is The Maryland Department of Housing and Community Development (DHCD) oversees housing policy.
There's almost certainly an article that could be written here, so we should delete per WP:REDLINK to encourage creation. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 02:47, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Tag {{R with possibilities}}, refine to Government of Maryland#Other, but otherwise keep it as it is. First priority is to help the readers, second priority to help the editors. This redirect fulfills its purpose to help readers, other considerations are less important. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 03:43, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- How does it help readers? -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 03:46, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- It shows them the extent of the relevant information on the site rather than making them wade through this steaming pile of unhelpful search results. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 03:57, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- The extent of the relevant information rounds down to zero. All that the article says is that the Housing Department oversees housing. I suppose it's helpful if you didn't expect "Maryland Department of..." to refer to a government entity in Maryland, but I'm not sure who'd be searching this term without knowing that. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 04:04, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Indeed. We can easily show the reader the exact extent of the relevant information. That is the function of this redirect. Besides, the reader may not know that the department oversees housing policy. It is likely that they infer it oversees housing construction solely. Nevertheless, it is better to show the reader the extent of information rather than deal with unhelpful search results. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 04:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- The extent of the relevant information rounds down to zero. All that the article says is that the Housing Department oversees housing. I suppose it's helpful if you didn't expect "Maryland Department of..." to refer to a government entity in Maryland, but I'm not sure who'd be searching this term without knowing that. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 04:04, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- It shows them the extent of the relevant information on the site rather than making them wade through this steaming pile of unhelpful search results. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 03:57, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'm also not convinced that there's an article here, as much as it would make sense. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 04:00, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- How does it help readers? -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 03:46, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Mentioned in the article, and a suitable target. The redirect can be converted into an article if required. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:17, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Zosimus Historicus
Bong Go-class frigate
- Bong Go-class frigate → Jose Rizal-class frigate (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
While "Bong Go" is a subject of controversy regarding a government deal involving these frigates. This is not a plausible search term. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 00:30, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
May 28
Kamagethi dynasty
- Kamagethi dynasty → Nayakas of Chitradurga (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, no results on Google Scholar, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 16:38, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I have come across this mention here, it's an official webpage, can be considered reliable. However no other mentions found. Maybe a search in Hindi may help. Less Unless (talk) 13:35, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
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George Fan
- George Fan → Plants vs. Zombies (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Per WP:XY readers could equally be searching for others games he has been involved in like Octogeddon. Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 19:14, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete. Given that there is no article, this redirect inhibits Search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:18, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete I could see a case if he was only known for working on this game but as demonstrated by the nominator that is not the case.--65.92.163.98 (talk) 18:54, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Plants vs. Zombies is not the only video game George Fan worked on. He also worked on Insaniquarium and Octogeddon. Lazman321 (talk) 16:29, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Chompy Ace 22:48, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Transnational issues of the Glorioso Islands
- Transnational issues of the Glorioso Islands → Scattered Islands in the Indian Ocean (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Stub long-ago merged (no attribution necessary), the current target doesn't provide any useful information for this quite unlikely search term. Elli (talk | contribs) 17:47, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Agree seems unlikely. If not deleted, it should probably redirect to Glorioso Islands. CMD (talk) 04:31, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment: This appears to be a relic from the earliest days of Wikipedia, when, I guess, it was common to place subtopics like this at subpages (i.e., this would originally have been located at Glorioso Islands/Transnational issues, which does indeed exist). When Wikipedia's programming language switched from UseModWiki to the PHP script back in January 2002, all of those pages were automatically moved from "Topic/Subtopic" to "Subtopic of Topic" titles. Of course, having a foreign affairs subtopic for the Glorioso Islands was silly, so it was redirected later that year. I don't know if this has any value as an {{R with old history}}; in any case, if it is kept, it should be retargetted back to Glorioso Islands. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 14:40, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
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Oulo
- Oulo → Oulu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausible search term, mainly a typo for "Oulu". Created twelve years ago by a user who was since blocked indefinitely for vandalism. The redirect had only four incoming links, three for the city of Oulu and one for an entirely unrelated Tatar ruler. I have fixed them all. I propose to delete this. JIP | Talk 22:27, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. Does Finland have any other place named Oulo? A Google search for "Oulo Finland" returns 84,000 results and looking at the few initial results, it does mention Oulo, Finland as a place. Jay (talk) 15:17, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- No. There is no such place as "Oulo" in Finland. Google returns results because it's a typo for "Oulu". JIP | Talk 06:53, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- If it's such a common typo, then it's worth
Keeping. Jay (talk) 07:34, 24 May 2021 (UTC)- In fact, Disambig to the Finland and Burkina Faso places, and the Tatar ruler per my comment below. Jay (talk) 21:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- If it's such a common typo, then it's worth
- No. There is no such place as "Oulo" in Finland. Google returns results because it's a typo for "Oulu". JIP | Talk 06:53, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Oulo is the name of at least one populated place in Burkina Faso (fr:Oulo has it in Sahel Region, at least one other source has it in Boucle du Mouhoun Region ]https://www.mindat.org/feature-2356900.html]) and a region/place and forest in Sudan ([1][2]). The primary topics in search results though are for a British clothing/yoga accessory retailer and a Lebanese app (although I don't think either are notable based on a first look). If the African places didn't exist then I would be happy to support this as an apparently common misspelling but not in the circumstances. Thryduulf (talk) 19:35, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment it can be retargeted to Dori Department, where the Burkina Faso village is now mentioned, and a hatnote added for Finland -- 67.70.27.180 (talk) 03:50, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete to facilitate uninhibited Search for the other 19 mentions of "Oulo" in Enwiki. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:08, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Of the 19 mentions, I fixed one more mention of the Finland place. The tatar ruler is Emperor Shizong or Wulu but referred by Ezra Pound in the Cantos as Oulo. Of the remaining, I see article potential for 2 mentions - the Burkina Faso village that 67.70.27.180 added and the Cameroon artist Idy Oulo. Jay ( talk) 21:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
MKSA system
- MKSA system → Giovanni Giorgi#MKSA (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- MKSA → Giovanni Giorgi#MKSA (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- MKSA system of units → Giovanni Giorgi#MKSA (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These redirects should rather redirected to MKS system of units or to a section of International System of Units, since these articles are more directly related to the topic (MKSA is an extension of MKS and the base of SI) and since Giorgi did not directly propose this exact system, he proposed a system with any practical electrical unit as a fourth base (so MKSV or MKSΩ would also be consistent with his proposal). --Lukflug (talk) 18:29, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. In the current state of affairs a section in the MKS system of units or the Giovanni Giorgi article would, IMO, both be appropriate targets for the redirects. The International System of Units article, however, seems to be too off-topic already. When I created those redirects I linked MKSA to the Giorgi article because it had (and still has) a little bit more information about the topic than the MKS article, however, this is something that might change over time through normal article development, and, from a logical point of view, the MKS article might be the slightly better target long-term.
- So, I can support switching the target link to point to a section of the MKS system of units article if we add a dedicated MKSA link to the Giorgi article and decide that, for adding more information on MKSA in the future, the MKS article would be the better place, given that MKSA is, in fact, only one of the possible systems suggested by Giorgi. However, in the current state of affairs I still do not see a strong need to switch the target, so I'd also be happy if we keep the links as is for now.
- -- Matthiaspaul ( talk) 08:32, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
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Ofenbach
- Ofenbach → Lanzenkirchen (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The pageviews indicate that Ofenbach (DJs) is the more likely intended target. A recent RM to move the article to the basename has just closed with no consensus. Recommend the primary redirect to Ofenbach (DJs) instead, with accompanying hatnote at Lanzenkirchen. 162 etc. (talk) 19:54, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- See pageviews. 162 etc. ( talk) 19:55, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Procedural close. Ofenbach cannot be a primary redirect to Ofenbach (DJs) because that would be unnecessary disambiguation at Ofenbach (DJs). The proper action would be to move Ofenbach (DJs) to Ofenbach, but that's precisely what the RM failed to achieve consensus for. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Then make it a disambiguation page. Given the pageviews, the current primary redirect to Lanzenkirchen is indefensible. 162 etc. ( talk) 15:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Don't know what you are talking about here, but the obvious solution would be to retarget to Offenbach, and list both Lanzenkirchen and Ofenbach (DJs) at that disambig page. 122.60.46.122 (talk) 22:47, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Next National Assembly for Wales election
- Next National Assembly for Wales election → 2021 Senedd election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These redirects are no longer necessary. There will never be another 'National Assembly for Wales' election. While I can understand why this page may have been retained for the 2021 election, given the recent name change, that rationale no longer applies, and there is no valid target to redirect this to now. RGloucester — ☎ 15:09, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per #Next Welsh Assembly Election. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:59, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Elections in Wales#2026. DrKay (talk) 16:40, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
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Next Welsh Assembly Election
- Next Welsh Assembly Election → 2021 Senedd election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These redirects are no longer necessary. There will never be another 'National Assembly for Wales' election. While I can understand why this page may have been retained for the 2021 election, given the recent name change, that rationale no longer applies, and there is no valid target to redirect this to now. RGloucester — ☎ 15:09, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete but not for the nominator's reason (I think it's reasonable to assume that a user might use the obsolete term for the Senedd) but because we have no suitable target article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:58, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Elections in Wales#2026. DrKay (talk) 16:41, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
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Katie Britt
- Katie Britt → Richard Shelby (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 16:58, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- According to [3], Katie Britt is President & CEO of the Business Council of Alabama, and was previously Richard Shelby's press secretary/campaign manager/chief of staff. She's not notable on her own and there's no info on her at the target, so delete. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 17:14, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete to encourage article creation. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:57, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Required supplementary information
- Required supplementary information → Governmental accounting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in the target, so a reader who searches for this is given no indication of what it means. The only articles that mention this in the body are AICPA Statements of Position and Statements on Auditing Standards (United States), neither of which seems like a viable target. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 16:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to financial statement. This is a broad general concept (not specific to any particular branch of accounting) for any information that needs to be included along with reported financial information which is not one of the prescribed financial data reports (balance sheet, profit & loss, cash flow, sometimes others depending on the governing body and accounting standard used), which include the notes to the financial statements and also separate documents such as management discussion & analysis and notice to reader. Notes and MD&A are redirects to sections in financial statement anyway, and I'm not sure why we don't seem to have any info about the last one but it would probably also be on that page. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 17:10, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to financial statement. I just covered this topic in some CPA exam studying material, and yes, that is the right place to point this. Hog Farm Talk 22:12, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
List of Perry Mason episode murderers
- List of Perry Mason episode murderers → List of Perry Mason episodes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Fork of List of Perry Mason episodes by an editor trying to avoid consensus on the page. Not an actual search term. Calton | Talk 14:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Procedural close, wrong venue - the fundamental dispute here is whether or not Zeus Maximus' presentation of this information is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia, and the venue to resolve that dispute is WP:AFD. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 17:00, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- That was resolved at Talk:List of Perry Mason episodes -- past tense -- and, again, this is a WP:FORK to get around the already established consensus. Bureaucracy serves Wikipedia, not vice versa. --Calton | Talk 23:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Restore a previous version and AfD. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:49, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
シルバー・ザ・ヘッジホッグ
- シルバー・ザ・ヘッジホッグ → List of Sonic the Hedgehog characters#Silver the Hedgehog (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Per WP:R#DELETE#8 / WP:RLOTE, " In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created." A number of similar redirects can be found linking to this list, but before mass nominating I thought I should seek consensus on just one first. Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 13:50, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - per nom. Sergecross73 msg me 14:30, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. The guideline the nominator quotes is actually in favor of keeping it since Sonic is a Japanese series. In fact, the section it redirects to attests this spelling in a footnote, which also asserts the language's relevance. -- Tavix (talk) 16:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Tavix. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 16:55, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Tavix and Ivanvector. As the former says, there is a connection between the Sonic franchise (and by extension Silver) and Japanese, so this redirect is appropriate. Regards, SONIC678 23:56, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Philip Thomas Tucker
- Philip Thomas Tucker → The South's Finest (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:XY issues, as Tucker has written many other books. While this is currently the only book of his we have an article on, searching for reviewing on EBSCO indicates that this work Exodus from the Alamo is notable, and his bio of John S. Bowen likely is as well. I think it's too narrow to point this to a single book of Tucker's. Hog Farm Talk 06:04, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep on the basis it is the only currently existing target... GiantSnowman 09:16, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep per GiantSnowman and until a better alternative exists. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 19:19, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete to encourage article creation and to facilitate uninhibited Search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:46, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
The creation of Nazo and Silver the hedgehog
- The creation of Nazo and Silver the hedgehog → Sonic X (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Unlikely search term. Dominicmgm (talk) 17:20, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - It spawned as a result of this AfD. The history needs to be preserved to keep attribution. Anarchyte (talk • work) 09:49, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete As no content from the original article appears to be currently mentioned in the article, therefore preserving attribution is meaningless.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 08:59, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Attribution is still required. It isn't an option. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 01:30, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep per WP:R#HARMFUL. Redirect has non-trivial history. Link20XX (talk) 16:19, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete No useful history to preserve. Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 13:52, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Hopefully we can put to bed the attribution question, but no merge actually took place. It was redirected to Sonic X on 8 December 2006, and there was no corresponding merge addition around that time. I checked the history of Sonic X at that time, and I was unable to find anything extant had been merged prior and there certainly isn't anything there today. -- Tavix (talk) 16:40, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per Tavix's explanation. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 22:11, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Draft:Heiwa Island
Kudanzaka
- Kudanzaka → Tokyo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Propose deletion. This hill does not meet the general notability guideline. 122.60.46.122 (talk) 09:37, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - qualifies for WP:G5, and there is no information at the target nor anywhere else I can see. Google suggests the hill may be notable and/or may have had a notable light feature, but it isn't listed under List of lighthouses in Japan (not sure if that would be the right target anyway) so also delete per WP:REDLINK to encourage article creation. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 16:54, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think it qualifies for G5: the redirect was created on 13 September 2011, but the master was not blocked until 18 October 2011. -- Tavix (talk) 21:37, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- may have had a notable light feature. The lighthouse -- or at least a copy of the lighthouse, I don't have my notes handy to tell me which it is -- is still there [4]. --Calton | Talk 23:52, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- The Japanese Wikipedia has an article on Kudanzaka, so there's definitely potential. So either redirect to Chiyoda,_Tokyo#Geography or delete to make it a red-link, to encourage creation of an article. --Calton | Talk 23:52, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Dōngjīng (Japan)
- Dōngjīng (Japan) → Tokyo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Propose deletion. No one speaks Chinese in Tokyo. 122.60.46.122 (talk) 09:21, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:RFOREIGN. China and Japan have enough shared history to warrant this redirect, it's unambiguous (dab at Dongjing lists other possible targets but Tokyo is the most prominent by far) and I'm not seeing how it's harmful. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 16:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- The word "東京" is pronounced Dongjing in Chinese, Tokyo in Japanese, Dokyo in Korean and Dong Kinh in Vietnamese. However, this is the English Wikipedia, and readers will use the Japanese transliteration to search because the city is in Japan, not the other three. 122.60.46.122 (talk) 22:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per the 🐿️. I can think of about a billion people who might be searching Wikipedia using a Chinese transliteration of a neighboring country's capital. (Well, at least, those who can get around the Great Firewall's block.) They may well just assume that that's the English transliteration as well; it's not like it's intuitively obvious to me as an English speaker which transliterations that we use are the same in other languages. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 23:42, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Tokei would be the "Chinese" pronunciation (from the Japanese version of Chinese pronunciation found in Japanese, as terms have a native pronunciation and an imported Chinese pronunciation) Since the imported pronunciation predate Mandarin, it shouldn't use the Mandarin term, but the Middle Chinese pronunciation romanization. -- 67.70.27.180 (talk) 03:56, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Oyata
- Oyata → Tokyo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Oyata, Tokyo → Tokyo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Propose retarget of first redirect to Ryū-te. Propose deletion of second redirect. This martial artist, who founded Ryū-te, is not a location in Tokyo. 122.60.46.122 (talk) 09:16, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget first, delete second, per nom. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 16:45, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
The Metropolis
- The Metropolis → London (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- The metropolis → London (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Propose retarget to Metropolis (disambiguation). London is not the only metropolis. 122.60.46.122 (talk) 09:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom as obvious. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 16:44, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Metropolis (disambiguation) as the most appropriate target. The current situation may lead to confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:44, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to dab. Clearly currently overly parochial in use, as this isn't the London wikipedia -- 67.70.27.180 (talk) 03:57, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Nessa Barrett
- Nessa Barrett → Jxdn#As featured artist (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Barrett's been covered in the media for a number of things other than this one collaboration. While she's probably not (yet) notable enough for an article, meaning that WP:REDLINK doesn't quite apply, this redirect is surprising for any reader looking her up in a context other than the song. (The song's title, La Di Die, redirects to Jxdn, which I think is reasonable, although I'm gonna refine the section.) Delete for lack of a logical target. The search results, listing a number of articles that mention her (including the current target), will be far more helpful to our readers. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 01:11, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep until someone makes a proper Nessa Barrett page. Unless another page has sufficient information on her, and according to the nominator she doesn’t, keeping her as a redirect to Jxdn where there is coverage is the most appropriate course of action. If as the nominator mentioned, Barrett has had media coverage for other things, I think the most appropriate course of action is to keep the redirect until someone takes that media coverage and turns it into an article. However, the majority of recent headlines appear to also be about Jxdn so I don’t think the redirect is a surprise. She’s not a non-notable entity so deleting the page wouldn’t make sense. And it is completely normal for an artist whose biggest claim to fame is a collaboration with another artist to redirect to the other artist’s discography page if the song itself doesn’t have a page. That’s what is happening here. CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 01:34, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep or create article - Keep, or create article. The majority of recent headlines involving Barrett appear to also be about Jxdn. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:36, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete to encourage article creation, because in the meantime this redirect impedes Search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:41, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
May 27
Draft:Untitled Okoye series
- Draft:Untitled Okoye series → Draft:Untitled Wakanda series (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Prematurely created draft article for a project thought to be one thing (a new series for the character Okoye from Black Panther) but has since been made a redirect to the Wakanda series, which has been confirmed to be what the actress will play the character in. Not many (if any) viewers will be looking for this with the series known to be the latter and given it is a draft. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Draftspace redirects aren't for our readers; they're for our editors. The fact that this page has history means that the redirect serves a purpose for our editors. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 00:38, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as this was only used for an hour before being redirected and then nominated for deletion. - adamstom97 (talk) 07:53, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom since it's been confirmed the actor and character will be part of the existing Untitled Wakanda series which there is already a draft for. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 14:26, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Deadline Hollywood have now confirmed that the series is separate from the Wakanda series.https://deadline.com/2021/05/danai-gurira-to-reprise-okoye-in-black-panther-wakanda-forever-disney-origin-spinoff-series-1234765921/ Especially pertinent as DH were the ones who broke the initial reporting of the Wakanda series back in February. Mitchy Power (talk) 15:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Deadline's report doesn't specifically confirm that it is for an Okoye series, just that it's for an "origin spinoff series". /Film also notes it is uncertain. Best to just have this redirect deleted and note the info on the Wakanda series draft. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 16:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Bobby Younkin
- Bobby Younkin → Jim LeRoy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The title redirects to Younkin's flying partner Jim LeRoy. Younkin is only briefly mentioned in LeRoy's article, and, to my knowledge, we don't usually redirect people's names to their friends' article just because of a brief mention. - ZLEA T\C 22:11, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete There is very little on him in that article. If it is kept, I think the redirect should go to the Jim Franklin article, as that has a little more info on him.Brianyoumans (talk) 02:07, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Other than this redirect there are 8 mentions on Enwiki of "Bobby Younkin" and Search therefore yields better results. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:39, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Wuhan Flu Timeline
- Wuhan Flu Timeline → Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete: unlikely to be helpful and derogatory Bangalamania (talk) 16:33, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per Talk:COVID-19_pandemic/Archive_1#New_Article:_Wuhan_Flu_Timeline -- dylx 16:43, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:RNEUTRAL. While it's inaccurate and probably racist, it is also a plausible search term with an unambiguous target. Note that Wuhan flu redirects to COVID-19. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 17:32, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. The page has gone through several moves and it will be useful to keep the history. The redirect's earliest date is January 24, 2020 (at a time when the usage of Wuhan or China was not "derogatory"), and I have been unable to find such an early date either in the target's history or intermediate redirects. Jay (talk) 18:22, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, sadly – As much as I hate that this redirect exists (it's wrong in both ways – it's kinda racist and it's also not a flu), it is the former title of the page (I'd know, I'm the editor who moved this page away from this crappy title back in January). And, sadly, it is a plausible search term with an unambiguous target. Paintspot Infez (talk)
- Keep but decapitalize "timeline" it is representative of what it was called in the early days before 2020 got underway (Wuhan flu, Wuhan pneumonia). And it isn't inaccurate like "China Flu/Virus" (that is so ambiguous, as there are several flus and even more viruses that could be refererd to). -- 67.70.27.180 (talk) 02:20, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Simply does not get enough views for the "plausible search term" argument to make sense. On average it gets 1 per day, if it gets any. Also inaccurate even ignoring the "Wuhan" part since COVID-19 is not the flu.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 12:17, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as multiply implausible: odd capitalization plus doubly inaccurate name for the disease plus specifically searching for the article on the timeline is doubtful. Also the history mentioned above is not useful, it's just a bot repeatedly retargeting to avoid double-redirects as the target article got moved; there has never been any content or anything else of value to anyone at this title. --JBL (talk) 13:40, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, except for the first entry in the history which says how the move happened, it is all about the bots. Jay ( talk) 19:39, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Jay and Ivanvector's squirrel. This is a plausible search term and WP:RNEUTRAL applies. Thryduulf (talk) 15:34, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, ten views a month doesn't make it appear to be implausible, and it might in fact be plausible as a search term per above. WP:R#K4 might also apply. Sun8908 Talk 17:11, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as misleading: this doesn't take the reader to a timeline of the incidence of actual flu in Wuhan. More broadly, it's one thing to have a redirect for a bad word, it's a completely different thing to create redirects for the various phrases in which this word can appear (for those of you for whom the name "Neelix" rings a bell, think of all the redirects like Tit cancer). Yes, Wuhan flu exists, and rightly so (though it's a separate question if it's current target is the best: it has no mention of the term, and the only article on Wikipedia that does have such a mention is Xenophobia and racism related to the COVID-19 pandemic). However, we don't have – and shouldn't have – redirects where "Wuhan flu" is substituted for "Covid 19" in any of the nearly 1,000 articles that have that in their titles. It doesn't even matter that the term is not neutral – a reader who stumbles upon this redirect may infer they'll be able to use similar search terms for related topics and when these searches fail they may incorrectly assume the topics aren't covered here. That's a basic principle: don't keep one vaguely (im)plausible redirect if you don't envisage at least the possibility of creation of all other redirects following the same pattern. And there's nothing to suggest keeping specifically this redirect. It doesn't any have meaningful history, and it was the title of an actual article for just over two hours in January 2020 [5] [6], so the usual "R from move" considerations no longer apply. – Uanfala (talk) 15:47, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- In reply to " we don't have redirects..." see note above by Ivanvector's squirrel on Wuhan flu redirecting to COVID-19. I assume you find fault with "flu" and not "Wuhan", because we have multiple "Wuhan virus", "Wuhan coronavirus", "Wuhan outbreak" redirects. And if flu is the issue, Influenza being a precursor to Pneumonia, we have "Wuhan pneumonia" and "Wuhan seafood market pneumonia virus" redirects. Jay ( talk) 19:56, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry if I haven't made my point clearly enougy. Yes, Wuhan flu exists (though it should probably not target what it targets now). However, no other redirect using this phrase exists. For example, we don't have Wuhan flu treatment, or Wuhan flu origins, or Wuhan flu pandemic or Wuhan flu in China. – Uanfala (talk) 22:19, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- In reply to " we don't have redirects..." see note above by Ivanvector's squirrel on Wuhan flu redirecting to COVID-19. I assume you find fault with "flu" and not "Wuhan", because we have multiple "Wuhan virus", "Wuhan coronavirus", "Wuhan outbreak" redirects. And if flu is the issue, Influenza being a precursor to Pneumonia, we have "Wuhan pneumonia" and "Wuhan seafood market pneumonia virus" redirects. Jay ( talk) 19:56, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete the history is just a bunch of redirect stuff, so there isn't any content that needs to be preserved. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 22:40, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep as a plausible search term. Redirects are not required to be neutral and readers are not required to be competent. feminist (+) 14:40, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Blocking (Wikipedia)
- Blocking (Wikipedia) → Wikipedia:Blocking policy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Block (Wikipedia) → Wikipedia:Blocking policy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Ambiguous cross namespace redirect, Blocking doesn't nessasarily refer to blocking accounts, it could also refer to blocking of the site, as is covered in Censorship of Wikipedia. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 21:13, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. In general, XNRs to projectspace should only be for cases where the reader is likely looking for an internal Wikipedia page. That's not at all clear here. Block already has a selfref hatnote to WP:BLOCK and two other internal pages, which should be sufficient. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 00:52, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia administrators#Role? I think it's a more plausible target than Censorship of Wikipedia, considering the parentheses. Maybe the first redirect should target a different place to the second one? Or it might be just best to delete. J947's public account 01:05, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Next to be listed on Rfd should be Troll (Wikipedia). Jay (talk) 09:31, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget both to Block. The hatnote there will help those looking for project space pages, Block (internet) will help some others and I've added a link to Internet censorship to help yet more people. I wouldn't object to targetting Block#Computing and adding a hatnote to the internet pages there. Thryduulf (talk) 13:36, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Retarget per Thryduulf. Vaticidalprophet 09:55, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete we don't have other (Wikipedia) topics like that. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 22:41, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Firstly that's irrelevant (WP:OTHERSTUFF), secondly it's not true - in addition to these redirects we have at least:
- Administrator (Wikipedia) → Wikipedia administrators
- Administrators (Wikipedia) → Wikipedia administrators
- Administrators (wikipedia) → Wikipedia administrators
- Arbitration Committee (Wikipedia) → Arbitration Committee
- James Wales (Wikipedia) → Jimmy Wales
- Signpost (Wikipedia) → The Signpost
- Teahouse (Wikipedia) → Wikipedia:Teahouse
- The Signpost (Wikipedia) → The Signpost
- Troll (Wikipedia) → Internet troll
- Vandalism (Wikipedia) → Vandalism on Wikipedia
- Those are the titles in the article namespace that exist in the 1 March 2021 datadump of page titles (the most recent I have downloaded), so it's possible there are others (neither Google nor the internal search engine differentiate between "Wikipedia" and "(Wikipedia)". Thryduulf (talk) 10:36, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Firstly that's irrelevant (WP:OTHERSTUFF), secondly it's not true - in addition to these redirects we have at least:
- Delete both per WP:REDLINK and WP:XNR. If someone wants to write an encyclopedia article about blocking on Wikipedia (could probably be done, Wikipedia has been around for 20 years) they would do it at this title. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 14:55, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- What would such an article contain that isn't already at Block (Internet) (or an example added there), Wikipedia administrators#Role and/or Censorship of Wikipedia (depending which meaning you are thinking of)? I don't really see it as a viable topic independent of either of those. The XNR aspect is why I'm recommending retargetting to an article space page. Thryduulf ( talk) 15:13, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. This is an unnecessary, and possibly ambiguous, cross-namespace redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- The ambiguity and XNR aspect is exactly why I propose to retarget this to a disambiguation page. With over 150 hits each last year it's very clear that deletion will cause unnecessary disruption and thus "unnecessary" is as close to incorrect it's possible for an irrelevant subjective opinion to be. Thryduulf ( talk) 18:39, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- I think that a dab page on Blocking (Wikipedia) rather than retargeting to a dab page (that is not the best at covering this topic in an organised fashion) is a better idea. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 05:26, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- I wouldn't object to that - it's very significantly better than deletion, but the existing dab page is still my first choice. Thryduulf ( talk) 09:45, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Hitesh Makhija
- Hitesh Makhija → Shaadi Mubarak (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, an internet search suggests that they are a not-yet-notable actor. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 15:43, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. There was a mention in the target until February when User:Anonymous in the world replaced it with another actor. IMDb still lists Hitesh Makhija in the target though. Jay (talk) 20:18, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Ye maaya chesave serial
- Ye maaya chesave serial → Jaana Na Dil Se Door (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No sufficient reasons for redirecting, the term is not even mentioned in the target article. CommanderWaterford (talk) 08:52, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, as the term is in fact the very first thing mentioned under Jaana Na Dil Se Door#Adaptations. (Ye Maaya Chesave proper is an article about a different topic.) Also, this is an article that was converted without discussion to a redirect, so RfD wouldn't be able to delete it even if it were unmentioned -- which it isn't. Vaticidalprophet 09:54, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Should redirect to Ye Maaya Chesave (Television Show), one of multiple articles on the same show created by the same editor. Fram (talk) 09:59, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- That should probably also be converted to a redirect to the parent topic -- I searched a fair amount before converting this one and found absolutely no evidence of stand-alone notability. Vaticidalprophet 10:20, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Delete since a proper standalone article has been created per Fram.Jay (talk) 19:18, 20 May 2021 (UTC)- That wasn't a proper stand-alone article (in fact, it's been converted to a redirect to the same article as this), it wasn't created by Fram, if it were then the proper outcome would be to retarget this to it, and RfD can't delete redirects with this much history that were unilaterally redirected. Vaticidalprophet 04:10, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, I see that it was done 8 hours back. Jay ( talk) 08:23, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- That wasn't a proper stand-alone article (in fact, it's been converted to a redirect to the same article as this), it wasn't created by Fram, if it were then the proper outcome would be to retarget this to it, and RfD can't delete redirects with this much history that were unilaterally redirected. Vaticidalprophet 04:10, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. The previous content in the history can be used in case this will be created as a sub-section in the target. Jay (talk) 08:23, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Title of a dubbed version, may be kept per WP:CHEAP. In addition, redirect has a substantial edit history as noted by Vaticidalprophet. -- Ab207 (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Utterly superfluous, in light of the half-dozen other variations on the title that they've made. Keep one as a redirect, ditch the rest. - Sumanuil (talk) 02:07, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- The other clones that were created after the original redirect was listed for Rfd here, should not change the merits or demerits of the redirect being discussed here. I agree on deleting every one of the others. Jay ( talk) 20:46, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete I agree with Sumanuil. The user has gone ahead and created another half dozen unsolicited articles which are all redirects now and most of them very unlikely search terms. This includes:
- Ye Maaya Chesave (Television Show)
- Ye Maaya Chesave (Television Series)
- Ye Maya Chesave (Telugu-language serial)
- Ye Maaya Chesave (Telugu-language serial)
- Ye Maaya Chesave (Telugu TV Series)
- Ye Maaya Chesave (Telugu TV Serial)
- Ye maaya chesave serial
- ఏమాయ చేసావే (ధారావాహిక)
These are way too many redirects and most of them can be disposed off. Keeping one or even most likely search terms makes sense, but not all of them. Request the closing admin to take a decision on all these unnecessary redirects as well. Sunshine1191 (talk) 02:48, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment I don't see the sequel or spinoffs section anymore. Is this a real series? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 22:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Not sure where you're looking -- Jaana Na Dil Se Door#Adaptations is still there on my end. When BEFOREing the article to convert to redirect, I found evidence it existed, just wasn't notable. As for the "way too many redirects" deletes...I'm not seeing it, per WP:CHEAP, and as Jay notes, many were made after this article was converted. Vaticidalprophet 20:51, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Chyalothrin
- Chyalothrin → Cyhalothrin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is not an alternative name for Cyhalothrin, and no mention of it is found in the article. It is not a likely misspelling nor a likely search term, as there have been zero pageviews in the past 90 days. No reason to keep an obvious error that nobody searches for. Senator2029 ❮talk❯ 04:13, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, fairly common misspelling. Gets a non-bot number of views. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 05:41, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, despite one reason for the misspelling being that "y" and "h" are adjacent on typewriter keyboard. Unlikely that anyone would actually believe this is the correct spelling. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:14, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Despite what J947 queries, this is not a common spelling. Google Ngrams [7] shows that it is not used in any notable publications. Bibeyjj (talk) 13:15, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- I got this. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 19:43, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Delete- I'm not sure what J947 is seeing, the pageviews tool shows zero hits. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 17:55, 20 May 2021 (UTC)- I see 100 pageviews all time, which isn't a lot but nevertheless is about 40 people (excluding bots) helped by this redirect. J947's public account 22:29, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- I never bother to go back more than 90 days, but you're right, the hits are there. Supposedly the new tool filters bot hits, so if it's working right then those are all human views. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 14:11, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- I've got a theory that sometime around late 2019 a change came to the tool to filter bot hits better, as there's often a pageview drop around that time – whereas I don't think the actual number of readers has reduced. I don't think that the tool filters out bot views perfectly, but it may well filter out more than I realise. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 23:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- I recall that being a feature of this new tool right from its deployment, which was to replace an older tool in 2015 if I'm remembering right. It should correspond with the oldest date you can check in the new tool, and I believe the old one is now offline. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 16:31, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- I've got a theory that sometime around late 2019 a change came to the tool to filter bot hits better, as there's often a pageview drop around that time – whereas I don't think the actual number of readers has reduced. I don't think that the tool filters out bot views perfectly, but it may well filter out more than I realise. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 23:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- I never bother to go back more than 90 days, but you're right, the hits are there. Supposedly the new tool filters bot hits, so if it's working right then those are all human views. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 14:11, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- I see 100 pageviews all time, which isn't a lot but nevertheless is about 40 people (excluding bots) helped by this redirect. J947's public account 22:29, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per the struck vote and discussion directly above: a few people use it, and I don't see how it's harmful to keep it for those rare uses. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 14:11, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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Lunchtime O'Boulez
- Lunchtime O'Boulez → Private Eye#Regular columns (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in the target, at Recurring jokes in Private Eye, or in any other article. This was raised by Martinevans123 at Talk:Private Eye#Cleaning up and merging two months ago with no response, so it doesn't look like there's any enthusiasm for adding a mention to the target. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:52, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep This name was once in the article; and may be again. There is no other plausible target for it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:09, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep The name is a musical variation of Lunchtime O'Booze per A Great, Silly Grin: The British Satire Boom Of The 1960s (p316). Such Eye usages are common in contemporary English and so a reader might reasonably want to know more. (continued page 94) Andrew🐉(talk) 20:15, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Without a mention anywhere, this redirect is actively unhelpful because it misleads people into thinking we have content that will enable them to know more, but instead they will just be left confused. If the content is readded to the article the redirect can easily be recreated. Thryduulf (talk) 21:35, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- N.b., I removed an extra # in the target above. There is no longer a "Regular columns" section; I assume "Notable columns" is its successor. --BDD (talk) 20:21, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep per https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/935359/no-end-in-sight-for-merciless-slights/ that mentions some of these gag pseudonyms. Here's a writer who claimed using the name https://christophergillett.co.uk/articles/ AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 22:53, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Adversarial input
- Adversarial input → Randomized algorithm (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
As Henke37 mentioned on the talk page, a redirect from "Adversarial Input" to "Randomized algorithm" doesn't make sense as the topic and the article's contents are unrelated to Adversarial Input. KnowledgeablePersona (talk) 04:56, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- One possibility would be to retarget to Adversary model. --JBL (talk) 14:13, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Adversary model. Adversarial input is important in the analysis of randomized algorithms, so the redirect did make sense in that context. But there are are other fields that consider adversarial input, notably in machine learning. JBL's suggestion is a better alternative that encompasses its different uses. --
{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk}
09:48, 23 May 2021 (UTC) - Retarget to Adversarial machine learning and also create a disambiguation page. A common meaning of "adversarial input" is adversarial inputs to machine learning models (Adversarial machine learning). Another meaning is adversarial inputs to an algorithm with worst-case complexity significantly worse than average-case (Algorithmic complexity attack). Analysis of online algorithms from an adversarial perspective (Adversary model) is also a possibility. I think adversarial machine learning by now has become the primary topic. A hatnote would probably be too long which is why I suggest creating a disambiguation page too. (If consensus ends up against adversarial machine learning being the primary topic, I would also support disambiguating directly.) In any case, it's quite clear that Randomized algorithm is not the right target. Adumbrativus (talk) 02:51, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
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Davis Corner, Virginia
- Davis Corner, Virginia → Davis Corner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Specific to Virginia, but leads to a disambiguation page which lists similarly named places in Canada and Wisconsin. The potential target Davis Corner, Stafford County, Virginia was deleted via AFD nine hours ago. ✗plicit 10:28, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as a de facto G8 situation. That is to say, if that article hadn't just been deleted, an RFD would have probably retargeted this there; and, if so, it would be G8-eligible. Not saying this should necessarily be speedied, just that it's the same logic. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 10:35, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - the dab page now lists Davis Corner as a link to Princess Anne County, Virginia, where the only information on Davis Corner is a wikilink to the deleted article. The article says Princess Anne County was rolled up into Virginia Beach, Virginia in the 1960s, and that article has no info on Davis Corner at all. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 12:53, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - The only content about Davis Corner, Virginia that seems to be anywhere on enwiki is a redlink. Hog Farm Talk 05:59, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Aidin
- Aidin → Aydın (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Long standing redirect to the city, a new user wants to redirect to an article on the name Aidin (name). Is the city the primary use? Polyamorph (talk) 09:15, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note The target Aydın contains a link to Aidin (name) in its hatnote. Polyamorph (talk) 12:34, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Move Aidin (name) over Aidin as WP:PTOPIC (there don't seem to be any other full title matches) and hatnote to Aydın from there. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 12:55, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment PEIsquirrel's suggestion seems appropriate, happy for this to be closed early to move Aidin (name) over Aidin. Polyamorph (talk) 07:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Guildford, Surrey (disambiguation)
- Guildford, Surrey (disambiguation) → Guildford (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There are two possible places called "Guildford, Surrey": primarily Guildford in Surrey, England; and also Guildford, British Columbia, in the city of Surrey. The first article, to which Guildford, Surrey redirects, has a hatnote to the other. This redirect should not target Guildford because that is not a disambiguation page, but it is not helpful in any way: a searcher is better off just going to the Guildford page and following the hatnote. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:57, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Misleads readers into thinking that we have a disambiguation page for these places when we do not. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 08:04, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as above, a hatnote is all that is needed here, indeed it's the correct solution. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:55, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete This does not help anybody to find what they are looking for. --DanielRigal (talk) 11:50, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - while the hatnote serves the purpose of disambiguation (and so the (disambiguation) disambiguator is valid) this page has had no hits at all in 90 days, strongly suggesting it's not useful. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 12:57, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
1.1
- 1.1 → UCI race classifications (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The thing that 1.1 refers to more often, in my opinion, is 1.1.1.1 (for example, Google search 1.1). I think disambiguation is appropriate here, but given the decent number of incoming links, I'd like to bring it up for discussion first. Elli (talk | contribs) 07:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Disambiguate to current target, 1.1.1.1, and Software versioning, with sub-entry under the last one for HTTP 1.1 (redirects to HTTP) and maybe a few other notable products' versions 1.1. Link to 11, 1+1, and 1:1 (all DABs) in § See also. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 07:25, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Disambig per Tamzin. Thryduulf (talk) 22:25, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Disambig per above -- 67.70.27.180 (talk) 01:08, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- I've drafted a disambiguation page beneath the redirect, also including a few more relevant articles I've found: 1.1-inch/75-caliber gun, Falcon 9 v1.1, Trabant 1.1, and SAML 1.1. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 01:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Left Front (India)
- Left Front (India) → Left Front (West Bengal) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Manasbose originally targeted this to Communism in India, about six months after an article with this title was deleted at AFD. After Arjun Madathiparambil Muraleedharan turned it back into an article, Pichpich re-redirected it, this time pointed to Left Front (West Bengal). Arjun re-articled it; Soman re-re-redirected it, now to a third target, the DAB page Left Front. I then refined to section Left Front § India for fairly obvious reasons. Arjun has now restored the Left Front (West Bengal) target. Rather than let this turn into an edit war, I'm bringing this to RFD, with the suggestion that we restore target Left Front § India. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 03:36, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Left Front § India. I do not know why Arjun changed the redirect target from Left Front#India to Left Front (West Bengal), which is the same target he had removed earlier. I would have preferred a retarget to Communism in India, but sadly that is an under-developed article and doesn't have a proper section on the coalitions or alliances. The amount of research done for the AFD is staggering and could be the seed on a fresh article Left Fronts in India on the different coalitions that have come about. Jay (talk) 09:47, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget Left Front § India. The dab lists both Left Front (West Bengal) (twice until a moment ago) and Left Front (Tripura), neither of which seems to be a WP:PTOPIC over the other. There are a variety of other partial title matches also listed there. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 13:02, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note comment from Arjun here, which I think can be taken as a de facto !vote, although I've encouraged them to come participate here instead. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 07:54, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Disagree on considering it a vote. The note was when he removed the redirect to Left Front (West Bengal). But then he did a U-turn and changed the redirect back from Left Front#India to Left Front (West Bengal). No explanation on that. And I see more redirect confusion happening in the last 24 hours. Jay ( talk) 06:29, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Cecil bob
- Cecil bob → List of recurring The Simpsons characters#Cecil Terwilliger (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
In the Simpsons, Cecil is Bob's brother, but is never known as "Cecil Bob". Creator has been indeffed for vandalism. Hog Farm Talk 03:26, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - unambiguous and reasonably well-used (WP:RFD#K5). Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 13:06, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Malcolm Sex
- Malcolm Sex → List of recurring The Simpsons characters#Julius Hibbert (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in target article; creator has since been indeffed. Hog Farm Talk 03:22, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - Dr. Hibbert has his own separate article, for one thing, but that article has no information on this minor gag, nor does C.E.D'oh (the episode where it appears). Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 14:26, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Syrian Orthodox Church & Orthodox Syrian Church
- Syrian Orthodox Church → Syriac Orthodox Church (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Orthodox Syrian Church → Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Jstalins originally pointed Orthodox Syrian Church to Malankara Church in 2018. Today, Br Ibrahim john retargeted it to Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church. Meanwhile, in February Srnec moved the DAB formerly at Syrian Orthodox Church to Syrian Orthodox (disambiguation) and then retargeted the redirect to Syriac Orthodox Church.
In my opinion, these should point to the same place, rather than having target determined by the arbitrary ordering of two adjectives. Both the Malankara and Syriac churches can be accurately described as both Orthodox and Syrian (just in different senses of the word "Syrian"). As neither article is titled "Orthodox Syrian" / "Syrian Orthodox", this doesn't seem like a case of WP:SMALLDETAILS. Given that the DAB page disambiguates among four churches and a denomination comprising several churches, I suggest that we move the DAB page back to Syrian Orthodox Church and retarget Orthodox Syrian Church to the DAB. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 03:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Orthodox Syrian Church is a non-existent entity. If it should be redirected to a page, it should be Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church only. It is because it is a cooked up story from this denomination.Br Ibrahim john (talk) 03:37, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Br Ibrahim john: Could you elaborate on
cooked up story
? -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 03:38, 27 May 2021 (UTC)- Yes, certainly. Following the establishment of a self-governing entity in the Malankara Church of India in 1912, two separate denominations arose. One (Malankara Syriac Orthodox Church) remained as an integral part of the Syriac Orthodox Church. The other (Malankara Syriac Orthodox Church) started claiming autocephaly (self government). This lead to a series of court cases that lasted for more than a century. During this time, the latter enacted its own constitution, in which it is mentioned that they belong to an entity called the Orthodox Syrian Church. On the other hand the former referred to themselves as a part of the Syrian (Syriac) Orthodox Church. This change was due to the court case. In reality, the Syriac Orthodox Church has never been reffered to as Orthodox Syrian Church ever before or after. In short, the Orthodox Syrian Church is a non-existent entity which has been created for legal reasons only by the Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church. Br Ibrahim john ( talk) 03:46, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- The only correct target for these redirects should be the Syriac Orthodox Church which is a very real and current entity. The Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church and others are distinct from the Syriac Orthodox Church by nature of the moniker "Malankara", which clearly distinguishes them here on Wikipedia. Elizium23 ( talk) 04:30, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Br Ibrahim john: Could you elaborate on
- Retarget Agree with Tamzin and Elizium23.
move the DAB page back to Syrian Orthodox Church and retarget Orthodox Syrian Church to the DAB. J.Stalin S Talk 08:05, 27 May 2021 (UTC) - No change. In no case should "Syrian Orthodox" and "Syriac Orthodox" be treated differently. Srnec (talk) 00:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep the first, retarget the second to Syrian Orthodox (disambiguation). The terms are ambiguous and the dab page is useful for that, but Syriac Orthodox Church is clearly the primary topic and should be found when a user types Syrian instead of Syriac. Place Clichy (talk) 09:49, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
95th Academy Awards
- 95th Academy Awards → Academy Awards (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect, about the 2023 (!) Oscars ceremony, undoubtedly fails WP:CRYSTAL- the 2022 Oscars are still a year away. Redirect is unwarranted this far out. -- Wikipedical (talk) 16:42, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as WP:TOOSOON. As far as I can tell we have no specific information about anything beyond the 94th. Thryduulf (talk) 22:29, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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Yeon chang ma
- Yeon chang ma → Yo-Yo Ma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at target. Google yields nothing relevant, nor even anything that clearly refers to an identifiable topic. Perhaps this makes sense as a mistranslation of Ma's name from Chinese? That's the only explanation that I can think of. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 23:08, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Although she deserves her own article, until then, redirecting to her brother seems like the best choice. Thmazing (talk) 23:18, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oh, I see. This is the person referred to in the article as Yeou-Cheng Ma. Not sure how I'd feel about a redirect with that spelling, but, do you have sources showing that this spelling is used to refer to her? (I'll note that Yeou-Cheng Ma currently is a redlink.) -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 23:23, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:REDLINK to encourage creation of an article (also WP:RFD#D10). Redirecting individuals' names to their notable relatives without any information at the target is WP:RFD#D2 confusing. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 16:35, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete a correctly-spelled, capitalised, and hyphenated redirect might be helpful as a placeholder until she has her own article, given that a relative of a famous person might be a likely search term, and the target provides at least a bit of information about her. However there is no reason to retain a newly-created misspelling which appears nowhere else on the internet besides Wikipedia mirrors. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 01:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Bakset
- Bakset → Basket (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Improbable transpositional error. There's no more WP:AFFINITY to this misspelling than to Absket, Bsaket, Basekt, or Baskte. See also Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 17 § Baketsball (closed as delete). Created by the same user, although prior to my previous nomination. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 22:26, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, very common typo. Definitely more common than the other terms the nominator mentioned. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 22:30, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Baskte looks about as common as this one for the record, at ~800,000 gHits of which the vast majority refer to baskets. The others don't break 100,000, but it wouldn't be harmful to have them around. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 22:33, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment It looks like a WP:CHEAP simple transposition error redirect that already exists and does not need to be created, unlike the redlinked suggestions. Also unlike "Baketsball" , this is a simple transposition error of two adjacent letters, not two letters several letters apart -- 67.70.27.180 (talk) 06:27, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - this redirect got five hits only on the day it was created, otherwise it hasn't been used at all. {{R from misspelling}} is meant for plausible misspellings, i.e. words that people are likely to misspell or are actually frequently misspelled, like Portugese and Antartica. An error which on a standard keyboard requires striking a one-off character on entirely the wrong hand out of sequence is not very likely at all, as evidenced by the pageview stats. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 16:46, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- FWIW, the corresponding long-standing redirect Baksetball gets decent views. J947's public account 23:06, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Sea trade route
- Sea trade route → History of Kedah (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Maritime trade route → Trade route#Maritime trade (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Sea route → Sea lane (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Maritime trade → Maritime history (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Sea trade → Trade route#Predominantly maritime routes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Ocean trade → Trade route#Predominantly maritime routes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I'm not sure that sea trade routes were exclusive to Kedah. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 21:50, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- I agree this needs retargetting, but I'm not sure what the best target is. Sea lane is probably the most focused, but it's a thin article that doesn't deal with everything someone may be looking for. Trade route is more comprehensive but not focused on sea routes, and as the primary organisation is chronological maritime routes are covered in multiple sections so it wouldn't be possible to refine it. Thryduulf (talk) 22:28, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- There's a number of conflicting redirects here: Maritime trade route, Maritime trade, Ocean trade, and Sea trade have three different targets between the four of them. I've added all four. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 22:42, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Make that four targets for five, with Sea route. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 22:48, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- A lot of chronological stuff, which isn't helpful for these redirects. But surely there's an article to be written here about sea trade. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 22:46, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- 1, 2, & 3 to Sea lane, which I think covers this topic fairly well. That article should probably link to Trade route § Predominantly maritime routes, but that's fixable easily enough. 4, 5, & 6 to Maritime transport, although I'm less sure on that one. I agree with J947 that there's room for an article (or two) here. But they can be {{r with possibilities}} for now. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 22:52, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- 1,2,3->Sea lane, 4,5,6->Maritime transport per Tamzin. A dedicated article on maritime trade exists between those two articles, and Maritime transport links to Sea lane already. CMD (talk) 01:22, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- I oppose the Sea lane and Maritime transport targets. Sea lane is not WP:Globalized, merely covering early modern and modern routes from the western perspective (specifically only from the Age of Sail). It's a "definition" article, mainly just saying what a sea lane is, not what historical or existing sea lanes there are. Trade route is still the most comprehensive target for all of them, if you're asking for topics on maritime trade, regardless if it also covers trade by land. Maritime transport deals with the vessels used in modern shipping, not maritime trade in and of itself. People who use those search terms are looking for both historical and modern trade routes by sea, as well as methods by which trade by sea is/was accomplished. A target which doesn't cover those is insufficient. The best option would probably be a disambiguation listing, at the very least: Trade route, Sea lane, and Maritime transport.-- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 08:14, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- 1, 2, & 3 to Sea lane. While I agree that the Sea lane article is undeveloped, it seems to be the best fit, and I would hope that this discussion would encourage that development, rather than more carping. On the other hand,I agree with OBSIDIAN† in that I see no role for Maritime transport as a target here. Sea lane correctly has Trade route as a see also entry. As to the last three (4, 5, & 6) trade items, I believe they are correct as is (given current articles), but are a very separate discussion. A comprehensive article on Sea trade aka Maritime trade is clearly called for. The Maritime history article is extensive, but does not focus on trade, although, other than fishing, trade (and those who prey on trade) seems to have been the major focus of peacetime maritime activities. Development of a focused Maritime trade article could be assisted by books like A history of early Southeast Asia: maritime trade and societal development, 100-1500; Rome and India: the ancient sea trade; Sánchez's Merchants and trade networks in the Atlantic and the Mediterranean, 1550-1800 connectors of commercial maritime systems; The emporium of the world: maritime Quanzhou, 1000-1400; Emporia, commodities and entrepreneurs in Asian maritime trade, c. 1400-1750; Sewell's Grain: carriage by sea; International shipping: an introduction to the policies, politics, and institutions of the maritime world; Reeves's A history of the law of shipping and navigation and Rivalry for trade in tea and textiles: the English and Dutch East India Companies (1700-1800). Fugazza's Maritime connectivity and trade covering 2006-2012 would provide a recent perspective. --Bejnar (talk) 21:26, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
3, 2, 1
- 3, 2, 1 → El Dorado (24kGoldn album) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Ambiguous song title redirect; recommend retarget to 321 (disambiguation). 162 etc. (talk) 21:30, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 22:18, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing evidence that this is ambiguous between articles, on the dab page it's the only one formatted like this. Possibly ambiguous with On your mark? — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 22:37, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment it's a countdown, such as used for on your mark or takeoff or an explosion, etc. Disambiguate the page -- 67.70.27.180 (talk) 01:12, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Not sure how I didn't find that page... — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 01:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom to 321 (disambiguation) (lead sentence: 3 2 1, or 3, 2, 1 or 3-2-1 may refer to...). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:49, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
"Helene Berner"
- "Helene Berner" → Helene Berner (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausible quotation marks; {{R from move}} but the page was moved from this title one minute later. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:56, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, less pageviews than usual though. I assume that some old links form 1 minute after creation based on these redirects. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:09, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- I cannot imagine how any external links could have emerged in such a short period of time. The page author was likely the only one who saw the page in this state. What would be plausible are people searching for exact mentions of "Helene Berner", but a redirect like this only inhibits or obfuscates a search like this, as readers are trying to get to the search page, not the article itself. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 08:24, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- I cannot imagine how any external links could have emerged in such a short period of time. The page author was likely the only one who saw the page in this state. What would be plausible are people searching for exact mentions of "Helene Berner", but a redirect like this only inhibits or obfuscates a search like this, as readers are trying to get to the search page, not the article itself. ~~~~
- Delete consistent with those below. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:32, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
"Gwenda Hawkes"
- "Gwenda Hawkes" → Gwenda Hawkes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausible quotation marks; {{R from move}} but the page was moved from this title one minute later. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:52, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, pretty consistent stuff. It's a bit odd that these are such consistent numbers, but I'm pretty sure that these are mostly from readers following old links. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:07, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- I cannot imagine how any external links could have emerged in such a short period of time. What would be plausible are people searching for exact mentions of "Gwenda Hawkes", but a redirect like this only inhibits or obfuscates a search like this, as readers are trying to get to the search page, not the article itself. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 08:24, 27 May 2021 (UTC)- I heavily doubt that that amount of people are looking for mentions that way. J947's public account 22:31, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- I cannot imagine how any external links could have emerged in such a short period of time. What would be plausible are people searching for exact mentions of "Gwenda Hawkes", but a redirect like this only inhibits or obfuscates a search like this, as readers are trying to get to the search page, not the article itself. ~~~~
- Delete consistent with those below. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:32, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
"Gregory Coleman"
- "Gregory Coleman" → Gregory Coleman (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausible quotation marks; {{R from move}} but the page was moved from this title 16 minutes later. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:51, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete consistent with those below. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:32, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
"Ghetto Gastro"
- "Ghetto Gastro" → Ghetto Gastro (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausible quotation marks; {{R from move}} but the page was moved from this title within a minute. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:50, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, less pageviews but still more than I'd expect. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete consistent with those below. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
"George Keats"
- "George Keats" → George Keats (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausible quotation marks; {{R from move}} but the page was moved from this title one minute later. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:48, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, best to not harm these readers' navigation. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:02, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- The only plausible explanation to me are people searching for exact mentions of "George Keats", but a redirect like this is exactly what "harm[s] these readers' navigation", as they are trying to get to the search page, not the article itself. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 08:28, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- The only plausible explanation to me are people searching for exact mentions of "George Keats", but a redirect like this is exactly what "harm[s] these readers' navigation", as they are trying to get to the search page, not the article itself. ~~~~
- Delete consistent with thed others below. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:30, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
"George Copeland"
- "George Copeland" → George Copeland (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausible quotation marks; {{R from move}} but the page was moved from this title seven minutes later. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:48, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, old links have formed it seems. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:00, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- I cannot imagine how any external links could have emerged in such a short period of time. What would be plausible are people searching for exact mentions of "George Copeland", but a redirect like this only inhibits or obfuscates a search like this, as readers are trying to get to the search page, not the article itself. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 08:23, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- I cannot imagine how any external links could have emerged in such a short period of time. What would be plausible are people searching for exact mentions of "George Copeland", but a redirect like this only inhibits or obfuscates a search like this, as readers are trying to get to the search page, not the article itself. ~~~~
- Delete: What exactly is the point of this redirect? —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 05:05, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete consistent with the others below. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:30, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
"François Recanati"
- "François Recanati" → François Recanati (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausible quotation marks; {{R from move}} but the page was moved from this title four minutes later. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:46, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, pageviews. Harmless; helpful. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 20:57, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- The only plausible explanation to me are people searching for exact mentions of "François Recanati", but in this case a redirect like this is exactly the opposite of "[h]armless" and "helpful", as readers are trying to get to the search page, not the article itself. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 08:30, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- The only plausible explanation to me are people searching for exact mentions of "François Recanati", but in this case a redirect like this is exactly the opposite of "[h]armless" and "helpful", as readers are trying to get to the search page, not the article itself. ~~~~
- Delete consistent with the others below. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:29, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
"Frank Merle"
- "Frank Merle" → Frank Merle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausible quotation marks; {{R from move}} but the page was moved from this title five minutes later. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:45, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, pageviews. Too many pageviews to just be formed by editors clicking on entries in a list of such redirects. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 20:59, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, I agree with the nominator. The redirect was set in place because it's quick and easy, but an article that uses quotation marks as this redirect does is silly. PKT(alk) 22:01, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I don't comprehend. This redirect helps readers following old links go to the place they want to go. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 22:22, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps put it this way - when searching for a subject, you shouldn't use quotation marks.....that is to say, use Frank Merle rather than "Frank Merle". There's no need to use quotation marks in an article title such as this. PKT(alk) 23:24, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- It's not about searching. It's about readers following old links in search of the article for Merle. What's the harm in having this redirect? — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 01:34, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- I cannot imagine how any external links could have emerged in such a short period of time. What would be plausible are people searching for exact mentions of "Francis Chickering", but a redirect like this only inhibits or obfuscates a search like this, as readers are trying to get to the search page, not the article itself. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 08:23, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- I cannot imagine how any external links could have emerged in such a short period of time. What would be plausible are people searching for exact mentions of "Francis Chickering", but a redirect like this only inhibits or obfuscates a search like this, as readers are trying to get to the search page, not the article itself. ~~~~
- @PKT: Not true. Searching for Frank Merle gives 2,520 returns including all the Franks and all the Merles. Searching for "Frank Merle" gives 19 results. Shhhnotsoloud ( talk) 09:28, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- It's not about searching. It's about readers following old links in search of the article for Merle. What's the harm in having this redirect? — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 01:34, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps put it this way - when searching for a subject, you shouldn't use quotation marks.....that is to say, use Frank Merle rather than "Frank Merle". There's no need to use quotation marks in an article title such as this. PKT(alk) 23:24, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I don't comprehend. This redirect helps readers following old links go to the place they want to go. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 22:22, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. I think 1234qwer1234qwer4 suggests a good reason why this has any views. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:29, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
"Francis Chickering"
- "Francis Chickering" → Francis Chickering (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausible quotation marks; {{R from move}} but the page was moved from this title three minutes later. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:44, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, decent pageviews presumably from quickly-formed old links. This RfD takes more maintenance than the redirect ever would. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 20:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- I cannot imagine how any external links could have emerged in such a short period of time. The page author was likely the only one who saw the page in this state. What would be plausible are people searching for exact mentions of "Francis Chickering", but a redirect like this only inhibits or obfuscates a search like this, as readers are trying to get to the search page, not the article itself. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 08:22, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- I cannot imagine how any external links could have emerged in such a short period of time. The page author was likely the only one who saw the page in this state. What would be plausible are people searching for exact mentions of "Francis Chickering", but a redirect like this only inhibits or obfuscates a search like this, as readers are trying to get to the search page, not the article itself. ~~~~
- Delete. I think 1234qwer1234qwer4 suggests a good reason why this has any views. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:23, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
(S)-iPr-PHOX
- (''S'')-iPr-PHOX → (S)-iPr-PHOX (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausible redirect. As can be seen from the edit history of the target, it seems to have been moved to this title in error, as italicisation is achieved with a DISPLAYTITLE magic word, which was fixed a minute later. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:41, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. DMacks (talk) 21:51, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as an obvious error. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per the above. Mdewman6 (talk) 17:07, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
"Baldissera"
Ephriam (fire emblem)
- Ephriam (fire emblem) → Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones#Synopsis (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 August 31 § Ephriam (fire emblem) – no consensus
typo and two miscapitalisations, implausible redirect Dudhhr (talk) 18:34, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep (note old RfD), a reasonable misspelling and it's rather odd that the nominator is complaining about capitalisation when you look at their lower-case rationale... — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:22, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Pointless disambiguation. Ephriam already goes to a disambiguation page that contains the character among other things.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 12:08, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- How is it a pointless disambiguator if it literally disambiguates the title? — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 23:24, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. It's a plausible mispelling and redirects are cheap. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:06, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 17:23, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Opposition to trade unions
- Opposition to trade unions → Trade union#Impact (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Could Union busting be a better target? ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:31, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – The suggestion definitely has merit, and I'm inclined to support it. But I'd be interested in seeing what reasons, if any, there are against it. Senator2029 ❮talk❯ 04:17, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - I like the idea but I feel like there should be an opposition section under Trade union for opposition as opposed to this. Union busting is direct action, but you can also find commentary and indirect action against it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UppercutPawnch (talk • contribs) 12:59, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – I think that would be a reasonable redirect. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:56, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Opposition is not same as busting, per Talk:Opposition to trade unions#Article title is misleading. The alternate name suggested there "Criticism of trade unions" is not appropriate per Talk:Trade union#"Impact" section. Looks like "impact" is what we have for now until that section can be forked into its own article, and we have discussions around its title. Jay (talk) 06:28, 21 May 2021 (UTC) Jay (talk) 06:28, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Union busting. I agree with Jay that "opposition" could mean criticism instead of concrete efforts to thwart unions, but the current target doesn't discuss criticisms at all. Right now, someone looking for info on criticisms of unions is unlikely to find anything helpful there (which is a rather significant omission from the article, but that's another discussion), so union busting is perhaps the only valid target right now, and if we ever get a criticism section, we can retarget it back or disambiguate. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:17, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 17:09, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
2021 Swaminarayan Akshardham controversy
- 2021 Swaminarayan Akshardham controversy → Dalit#2021 Swaminarayan Akshardham controversy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 2021 Swaminarayan Akshardham forced labor controversy → Dalit#2021 Swaminarayan Akshardham controversy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The relevant content at the target was contested and removed shortly after this redirect was created. I don't have an opinion on whether to keep the content or not, but for as long as the content is not present, this redirect should not exist. signed, Rosguill talk 16:44, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- DeleteThe redirects don’t link to an article with a similar title, so it doesn’t make sense to keep them. Apollo1203 (talk) 05:33, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Swaminarayan Akshardham (North America)#Construction 2. Jay (talk) 08:33, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget per Jay. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 08:35, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Hi all, Whenever I search for Swaminarayan Akshardham controversy, I get results relating to the Akshardham Temple Attack, which occurred in 2002. These redirect pages are confusing and makes the encyclopedia more difficult to navigate. Best wishes, Skubydoo (talk) 10:53, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- If you are referring to an external search engine like Google, then we can't fix Google through Wikipedia. Someone looking for the temple attack will search for "attack" and not "controversy". Jay ( talk) 14:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete These pages do not contain useful page history that could be kept to comply with a page merger. It makes sense to delete the pages. Harshmellow717 (talk) 15:23, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete because the redirect is not useful.
- I agree with Skubydoo about the potential confusion but for different reasons: when I search Wikipedia using terms used in the titles of the redirect pages, the first result is the Swaminarayan Akshardham (North America) article. The proposed redirect to the same page would add an unnecessary extra step for users searching for information about the events in 2021 (and it could take users looking for information from 2002 to the wrong page). Hexcodes ( talk) 03:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- If searching for "2021 Swaminarayan Akshardham controversy" returns the first result as the North America article, then isn't our search results as expected? Users looking for the information from 2002 will not have search keywords with "2021" in it. Jay ( talk) 14:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Jay, I agree that the results are as expected. But I think that reflects the redundancy of the redirect. Additionally, users who know details like the years of the events would know enough to be able to find the relevant articles on their own. The labor lawsuit was filed in 2021, but--as I understand it--the allegations are for over a longer period of time, so I didn't include "2021" in my search terms when I searched Wikipedia. Hexcodes ( talk) 21:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Without including the year, when I search with "Swaminarayan Akshardham controversy", I get Swaminarayan Akshardham (New Delhi) as the first result. Are you saying you are getting the North America article? Jay ( talk) 12:10, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Jay, I agree that the results are as expected. But I think that reflects the redundancy of the redirect. Additionally, users who know details like the years of the events would know enough to be able to find the relevant articles on their own. The labor lawsuit was filed in 2021, but--as I understand it--the allegations are for over a longer period of time, so I didn't include "2021" in my search terms when I searched Wikipedia. Hexcodes ( talk) 21:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- If searching for "2021 Swaminarayan Akshardham controversy" returns the first result as the North America article, then isn't our search results as expected? Users looking for the information from 2002 will not have search keywords with "2021" in it. Jay ( talk) 14:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete I think one of the main reasons for confusion is that the term “controversy” is not a term that is being used in the reporting on the 2021 allegations. These redirects fail to aid a user who is searching on Wikipedia.Golfer1223 (talk) 05:08, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Procedural note. The above delete !votes are being discussed at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Moksha88. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 21:12, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Mitesh Patel (physicist)
- Mitesh Patel (physicist) → Imperial College London (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete redirect page; Reason 10: "If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject." MaryMO (AR) (talk) 16:32, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Jay (talk) 20:58, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as not mentioned. Note there is a new disambiguation page at Mitesh Patel (disambiguation), but there's no notable physicist mentioned in Enwiki that I can find. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:20, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per the above, but add an entry with the redlink to the dab page (blue linking to Imperial College London in the entry) per WP:DABRED. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:40, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Gender and Sexual Minorities
- Gender and Sexual Minorities → LGBT (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Gender and Sexual Minority → LGBT (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Gender and/or Sexual Minority → LGBT (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Gender and/or sexual minority → LGBT (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Gender and/or Sexual Minorities → LGBT (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
While the term usually refers to LGBT people, I think Sexual minority is probably a better redirect (and probably should be lowercase) Bangalamania (talk) 02:14, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Just had a look and there seem to be a lot of similar redirects using the GSM acronym or similar to link to LGBT. -- Bangalamania ( talk) 02:15, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: As is, Sexual minority (SM) seems to have been experiencing an identity crisis since 2015, when GSM and its variants were first introduced to the article. Here's a diff comparing that first edit to the current revision. Much has been added about sexual minorities and almost none about GSM. LGBT discusses the origin of the term GSM and some modern usage, but SM does not. Then again, LGBT gives SM "main article" treatment in its GSM section. In the SM controversy section, one of the major criticisms of the term sexual minority is from gender minorities, and no mention is made of the GSM term at all. These are all fixable problems, but it seems there are at least two possible fixes: Two key questions for deciding between the options are "Is there enough verifiable content out there to justify a standalone GSM article?" and "How would we prevent a GSM article from being a content fork of LGBT?" Firefangledfeathers (talk) 03:05, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Add more about GSM to the SM article, possibly enough so that there should be a move or split to Gender and Sexual Minorities, or
- Keep SM about its titular topic and keep LGBT as both the repository of GSM info and the target of this redirect.
- My preference would be the first option (as you say, the LGBT article does say that SM is the main article on the subject, and the term does have a broader scope than LGBT(QIAP+) – and intentionally so), although I am aware that the term "gender and sexual minorities" or its variants may not have wide enough currency in reliable sources to justify a change in the article's title, and I'm not sure how much content there is to justify a separate article. It is worth noting that the criticism from trans/gender minority groups seems to be unreferenced.
- Possibly adding to the confusion here, but articles on sexual minorities in specific countries on Wikipedia ( Sexual minorities in Sri Lanka, Sexual minorities in Japan) seem to use the term to refer to trans people too, although both of these countries are non-Western and so may have different ways of categorising gender and sexuality. -- Bangalamania ( talk) 13:24, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- As yet another confusion, "sexual minority"/"sexual minor" can refer to someone/the state of being below the age of consent for sexual activity. Thryduulf ( talk) 15:09, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Deleteper WP:XY and WP:RFD#D1. "Gender minority" and "sexual minority" describe related, but distinct, topics. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 15:28, 18 May 2021 (UTC)- "Gender and Sexual Minorities" is an actual medical term, though, so XY doesn't really apply. Elli (talk | contribs) 02:15, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Given the number of books and scholar hits for the exact phrase it's abundantly clear that WP:XY and WP:R#D1 are not at all relevant here. I'm not sure what the best thing to do with the redirect is, but deletion for those reasons is not it. Thryduulf (talk) 10:54, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Fair enough, struck my ill-informed comment. Ivanvector's squirrel ( trees/ nuts) 13:29, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to sexual minority. I see that scholarly work on this topic often refers to "sexual and gender minority" rather than the arrangement here, and while we don't have a redirect for that arrangement, it is listed as an alternate name for the study of the topic covered by the sexual minority article. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 13:29, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete This redirect is not currently being used in articles according to Special:WhatLinksHere/Gender_and_Sexual_Minorities. Also, we have no identified sources establishing this as a term or phrase in use. Without citations and without usage I say delete without redirect. Blue Rasberry (talk) 23:17, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
we have no identified sources
. Except for all the Google Books/Scholar references that Thryduulf mentioned... -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 00:44, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. The lede of sexual minority notes that it primarily refers to "LGB" individuals. The inclusion of "gender" here is important, as it extends the term to transgender and other non-cisgender/non-gender-conforming people. This is a term in current usage in the LGBTQ+ community, and I've only ever heard it used as a synonym for LGBT(Q)(+). Also, procedural note: Gender and Sexual Minority exists, redirecting to the same target. I hesitate to list it when two people have already !voted, but as a common-sense matter, the close here should probably apply to it as well. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 00:44, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- If I wasn't involved I'd relist this and add that redirect to the discussion at the same time. I encourage the closer to consider that option. Thryduulf (talk) 15:05, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment: Could we also add Gender and/or Sexual Minority, Gender and/or Sexual Minorities, and Gender and/or sexual minority? I believe they should all share a target page. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 15:51, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Done—Compassionate727 (T·C) 21:28, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Fukuda (video game)
- Fukuda (video game) → Getsu Fūma Den (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, nor does it appear to be mentioned on the linked jaWiki article. Deelete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 15:38, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Svea Rike
- Svea Rike → Europa Universalis: Crown of the North (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Svea Rike II → Europa Universalis: Crown of the North (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete or change scope of target.
The target article concerns the game also known as Svea Rike III, which is an entirely different game from Svea Rike I and II. It is therefore not a good redirect target for these two redirects. Either these redirects should be deleted, or the target article should be renamed and broadened in scope to include the entire Svea Rike series instead of only its third instalment. Rua (mew) 08:54, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Svea Rike II, as it is only mentioned as a game in the series at the target, and contains no real information about the game. Weak retarget Svea Rike to Reich#Usage_in_related_languages, where the phrase is discussed as a linguistics term. Hog Farm Talk 15:28, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: relisting for further consideration of the (weak) retarget proposal.
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- Retarget Svea Rike should be retargeted to Svealand or made a disambiguation page as Svea rike is an old name for Sweden, mentioned in Svealand, Swedes (Germanic tribe) and elsewhere. TSventon (talk) 15:45, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Disambiguate "Svea Rike" per TSventon -- 67.70.27.105 (talk) 20:57, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Restore per WP:BLAR since the unilateral redirection has been objected to. Either way, it is a weird set up to have an article for the third installment of a game, and not the first two. I'd recommend a hatnote at Svea Rike for the other use(s). -- Tavix (talk) 22:02, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Hopefully one more relist will allow a consensus
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- Retarget Svea Rike to Svealand per TSventon and delete Svea Rike II. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:45, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Tang-e Shur
Checkgate
- Checkgate → Cocomelon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 17:45, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: No vote here, just clearing it up .... it's the original youtube channel username, as can still be seen by visiting http://youtube.com/checkgate. Why did the creators open their account under the name checkgate? We don't know, and likely never will .... it's worth a mention that it seems to be a common noun, most prevalent in Indian English, and could at least merit a Wiktionary entry. —Soap— 18:26, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete until/unless a Wiktionary entry is created, in which case soft redirect. A lot of YouTubers have usernames that don't have anything in common with the name they go by—Tom Scott, for instance, had his channel at
/enyay
for the longest time, to his chagrin—and I don't see any indication that anyone ever refers to the Cocomelon channel by this name outside of a handful of automated listings. -- Tamzin (they/she) | o toki tawa mi. 17:53, 1 May 2021 (UTC) - Keep. Earlier account name of Cocomelon per Soap. Jay (talk) 08:19, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep per Soap. This should not be ignored and should be mentioned in the article. OcelotCreeper (talk) 22:11, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- If only there was a reliable reference. Jay ( talk) 10:56, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah that too. This could be a reasonable talk section on making sure there is a reliable source when adding. OcelotCreeper ( talk) 18:10, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- If only there was a reliable reference. Jay ( talk) 10:56, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Check valve, as valves are sometimes called gates -- 67.70.27.105 (talk) 01:02, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
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San Dimas High School football rules
- San Dimas High School football rules → Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- San Dimas High School Football Rules → Blue Skies, Broken Hearts...Next 12 Exits (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The football rules of the fictional depiction of this high school are not mentioned in the target. Dominicmgm (talk) 14:38, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Delete. Heck, "football" isn't even mentioned at the target. Anyone looking for this topic would be very disappointed. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:27, 26 May 2021 (UTC)- N.b., This is a quote from the film, and a full sentence ("San Dimas High School football rules!"), rather than a reference to the rules of a game. I don't see any benefit to keeping, though. --BDD (talk) 17:11, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. The nom did not also nominate San Dimas High School Football Rules which redirects to Blue Skies, Broken Hearts...Next 12 Exits with a hatnote to Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure. I've added it to this nomination, because I think they should point to the same target, and am pinging @Dominicmgm:, @Compassionate727: and @BDD:. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:44, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget both to San Dimas High School#In popular culture where it is mentioned, explained, and a link is given to another use of a song at Blue Skies, Broken Hearts...Next 12 Exits. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:48, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget per Shhhnotsoloud. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 14:03, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Wajid Khan (Khan music duo)
- Wajid Khan (Khan music duo) → Sajid–Wajid#Wajid Khan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The duo's name is not Khan, and the redirect's purpose is server at Wajid Khan (composer) Kailash29792 (talk) 11:24, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 13:18, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. I can see why someone would come up with that disambiguator, and the redirect gets a constant trickle of traffic (~1 view per day), so it's serving a function. It's not like this redirect hurts anything. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:24, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. "Khan" is redundant. If it was "Wajid (Khan music duo)", it still made sense even though the duo's name is not Khan, per nom. If a reader knows him as Wajid Khan already, notwithstanding the lack of last names in the Sajid-Wajid duo, then the Wajid Khan DAB page will lead him to Wajid Khan (music director), another redirect. Jay (talk) 21:55, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Not harmful or confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:34, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Ventral Attention Network (VAN)
- Ventral Attention Network (VAN) → Salience network (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete. An implausible redirect left behind by a user who mistakenly created a page not following Wikipedia's title style conventions. Existence of this redirect is harmful because it may give readers wrong impression about how title parentheses and disambiguation work. For example, United Nations (UN) does not exist, while UN (disambiguation) does. Aqua3993 (talk) 02:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, correct, helpful, unambiguous, harmless. This nomination is more harmful than the redirect would ever be. Please don't move redirects, it confuses history. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 07:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:CHEAP. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:28, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep as the page existed under the redirect's title for 2 months. Although there were only a couple of edits during the time, it was back in 2007, and keeping helps keep the page move trail. Jay (talk) 13:09, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Pre-1980 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons
- Pre-1980 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons → North Indian Ocean tropical cyclone#Seasons (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No incoming links; these articles are now organised by season from 1950, so it's not a useful grouping anymore. Colonies Chris (talk) 16:53, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep This redirect is continuing to get a lot of pageviews, suggesting that there are links from somewhere outside Wikipedia. There is no benefit to us in breaking those links (indeed as good internet citizens we should avoid breaking such links where possible) so we should link to the target which best matches what people are looking for. In this case, the best target is the current one where people will be able to find whichever pre-1980 season they are interested in. Thryduulf (talk) 17:09, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep per Thryduulf. If someone is looking for information on cyclone seasons in the North Indian Ocean prior to 1980 under the very recently deprecated naming scheme, this target is where that information lives. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 17:00, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Fading Colours
- Fading Colours → Metal Mind Productions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Daniel Kleczyński → Metal Mind Productions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Leszek Rakowski → Metal Mind Productions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- De Coy → Metal Mind Productions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
A band and I assume members of the band. Not mentioned at target but the band appear on a track on a couple of compilation albums. "Fading Colors" is also a song on an album by another band, Mostly Autumn. Kleczyński has also served as a composer on a couple of video games. But no where is any info given on any of these folks that would make these redirects helpful. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 01:46, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Fading Colours would be a plausible search term for Photodegradation (where Colour fade redirects). Thryduulf (talk) 15:11, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Agree I agree with these redirects. --Greysonsarch (talk) 16:37, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Greysonsarch: to be clear: you agree to deleting these redirects? Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete all. These member redirects aren't useful without anywhere discussing their band. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete all. Each of these terms has a handful of mentions in Enwiki, and a Search reveals better results than this target. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
May 25
Wikipedia:8BALL
- Wikipedia:8BALL → User:MZMcBride/8-ball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Retarget to WP:CHECKUSER. 8ball primarily refers to CU and not a userspace magic 8ball, see {{8ball}} The CheckUser Magic 8-Ball says: . WP:8ball and WP:MAGIC8BALL redirect to a section of the CheckUser page. dudhhrContribs 22:26, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget per the principle of least astonishment. Note that there's a few userpages where the redirect would need to be bypassed, but none of anyone active. Courtesy ping to MZMcBride. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 22:32, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Based on Dudhhr's edit: Specifically, refine to Wikipedia:CheckUser § Guidance given to CheckUsers for consistency. @Dudhhr: Please remember to make it obvious when you edit a comment to which someone has already replied, per WP:TALK#REVISE. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 07:54, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - "answer like an 8 ball" from the text at WP:CHECKUSER, is merely suggesting to be vague/opaque in detail but clear in response. it's not saying you have to say the word(s) "8 ball". or even to use that template. Templates are a convenient alternative to text. nothing more. Is there a better arguement for changing than "He has it but we wants it"? - jc37 04:59, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- The CheckUser Magic 8-Ball says: retarget everything to User:MZMcBride/8-ball. Note that this page was never a redirect to the checkuser policy (it originally redirected to Wikipedia:Don't bludgeon the process, which at the time of the redirect's creation had a Magic 8-ball section, [8]) but it makes sense for all of these titles to target the same place. "Answer like a Magic 8-ball" isn't a helpful instruction to include in a policy: it makes it sound like checkuser is a game or that we're just making stuff up, and I'm going to go propose it be reworded or removed. Personally I only use the {{8ball}} template when a request is difficult to parse and the results likely to be uninformative, which I now see isn't the prescribed use at all; in any case I use the prescribed finding templates ({{confirmed}}, {{possible}}, {{unrelated}}, {{inconclusive}}, etc) for actual results. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 17:27, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- For whatever it's worth, sounds good to me. - jc37 23:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete all. This is our typical solution to barely used and potentially ambiguous WP-space redirects. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 16:40, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Olivia Rodrigo (album)
- Olivia Rodrigo (album) → Sour (album) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausible search term. Neither Rodrigo nor any sources anywhere have ever mentioned a self-titled album. – DarkGlow • 22:25, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete May cause confusion. There is no evidence the album is ever referred by her name. Would cause even more confusion if she releases another album. Aqua3993 (talk) 02:38, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per above. -- dylx 13:06, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Olivia Rodrigo#Discography lists no album titled Olivia Rodrigo. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia:ROSE
- Wikipedia:ROSE → Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 117#Rosenberg resolution (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I'm not sure why there should be a shortcut to a single discussion on a WikiProject talk page from 6 years ago. Perhaps it was at the time expected to be an influential precedent in some way, but the shortcut has never been used, and now risks cluttering search results; someone might be looking for a WikiProject on Guns N' Roses, the Wars of the Roses, etc. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 21:57, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- It's a WikiProject discussion used as precedent when discussing whether fictional characters need standalone articles. If there is a more pressing need for the shortcut, feel free to repurpose it. Otherwise it remains a useful shortcut. (not watching, please
{{ping}}
) czar 02:17, 26 May 2021 (UTC) - Delete and I agree with the nominator's "surprise" argument as to the relevancy of WP:ROSE; there is no tangible connection between "Rose" and "Rosenberg" so it isn't a useful shortcut. In any event, the outcome of that discussion does not appear to have gained support and traction as a guideline or precedent, it was never even curated as a coherent essay, and it is only ever brought up whenever the original proposer of the discussion participates in discussions about notability of fictional topics on occasion. AfD discussions almost always cite WP:GNG and/or WP:NFICTION whenever the notability of a topic is in dispute. Wikipedia:ROSENBERG is perfectly adequate if any other editor other then the original proposer wants to look up the original discussion for informative purposes. Haleth (talk) 08:35, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete due to the shortcut's inscrutability. I agree with all of Haleth's points above. – The Fiddly Leprechaun · Catch Me! 20:53, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:AINTBROKE. It's useful to someone as a redirect to that discussion, and no competing use has been suggested. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 17:30, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- ReTarget to Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by flower/Women named Rose. There's also Wikiproject Romance and Wikiproject Guns n Roses. But I think the WiR page meets the name the best. (I scrolled through waaay too many project pages to see what might be out there lol. Mostly AfDs, FACs, SPIs, and various usernames that had "rose" in them.) - jc37 23:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Non-Communist
- Non-Communist → Russian Republic (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 20:38, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Create DAB at Non-communist between Anti-Stalinist left (to which Non-Communist Left redirects), anti-communism, capitalism, and Australian Labor Party (Non-Communist). Retarget to said DAB. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 22:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - too vague; the title could plausibly refer to any political system other than communism, and could literally refer to everything else. Search results would be better and WP:RFD#D1 applies. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 17:31, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as ambiguous and likely to cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Pre-1980 Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone seasons
- Pre-1980 Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone seasons → Australian region tropical cyclone#Seasons (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect has no incoming links; it reflects a previous structure of the Southern Hemisphere cyclone articles which has since been revised, so it no longer has any purpose. Colonies Chris (talk) 15:37, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - the purpose it serves is redirecting incoming external links to the old title, of which there are clearly some based on pageviews. There has been content under this title for 14 years, and it could probably be tagged {{R from move}}. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 16:01, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Please clarify - what do you mean by "incoming external links"? Where are these coming from? There are no internal links because those articles are now organised by trpocal cyclone basin and season (year–year) from 1950 onwards, so "Pre-1980" is not a useful grouping. And it's misleading because it redirects to Australian_region_tropical_cyclone#Seasons, and so disregards the other two tropical cyclone basins in the Southern Hemisphere. Colonies Chris ( talk) 16:26, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Sure, I can try. The redirect has a couple dozen pageviews in the 2-3 months before the nomination (there's always a burst of activity when a page is nominated so we look back from before that date), which means that someone, somewhere, is clicking on a link to that page. Since we've eliminated all the internal links, that link must be on an external site, most likely a Wikipedia mirror. We can't fix links that are not on Wikipedia, so we keep the redirects so that readers on another site looking for information here will find the info they're looking for. I see your point about the geographic change, though. I don't have time to consider it right now but I'll reply later. Ivanvector's squirrel ( trees/ nuts) 16:57, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Please clarify - what do you mean by "incoming external links"? Where are these coming from? There are no internal links because those articles are now organised by trpocal cyclone basin and season (year–year) from 1950 onwards, so "Pre-1980" is not a useful grouping. And it's misleading because it redirects to Australian_region_tropical_cyclone#Seasons, and so disregards the other two tropical cyclone basins in the Southern Hemisphere. Colonies Chris ( talk) 16:26, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone seasons which appears to be the closest match we have (although that page could be usefully significantly expanded). Per Ivanvector it is important that we maintain this as a blue link as it is likely that people will continue to follow links to this page. Thryduulf (talk) 17:03, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Compassionate727 (T·C) 20:00, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget as Thryduulf proposed to List of Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone seasons. That's a better destination and preserves the link for any potential users. – The Fiddly Leprechaun · Catch Me! 21:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget as proposed by Thryduulf. That way these external referrals will see something that's at least relevant. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 17:33, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Galadorian
- Galadorian → Gondor#Cities and fortresses (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in target article. Discussed at Rom the Space Knight, List of alien races in DC Comics#G, and List of alien races in Marvel Comics#G. Galador is a one-entry dab page. Not sure what the best target is, as I'm not familiar with the comics usages. Hog Farm Talk 14:43, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: Not mentioned; nor, I think, are we going to bother to mention Galador or his -ian adjective at Gondor. He was the first prince of Dol Amroth, which now doesn't have its own article, so we're into a redirect to a redirect to a redirect for this adjectival form. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:10, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Galador, which is not a one-entry dab. Rom the Space Knight is linked from there and describes Galadorians in that universe, and links could be made to both of the comics lists. "Galadorian" doesn't appear in the Gondor article, but it's linked from the dab anyway so readers could still find info they're looking for from there. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 15:27, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- @PEIsquirrel: - It was when the redirect was nominated. Hog Farm Talk 00:38, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- I see that. It was expanded before I got there, and then I expanded it some more. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 17:34, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- @PEIsquirrel: - It was when the redirect was nominated. Hog Farm Talk 00:38, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Galador which is now a reasonable-looking disambiguation page. Adumbrativus (talk) 08:47, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Babe (video game)
- Babe (video game) → Babe (film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No mention of a game at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 19:15, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, minimal connection with the original film. Sweetpool50 ( talk) 19:44, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Added information and a reference about the video game based on the film. Aqua3993 ( talk) 04:17, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Aqua3993: The reference you added doesn't appear to establish that the game is actually tied to the film, and also doesn't seem to be a particularly reliable source. If you can find a better source, I'd support keeping. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 09:08, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Mahindra Chairman
- Mahindra Chairman → Ssangyong Chairman (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete. When Mahindra took over Ssangyong in 2010, a few automotive bloggers speculated that Mahindra would sell the Chairman under their own name. It was never proposed by Mahindra themselves, no such cars were ever sold, this redirect gives credence to what was pure guesswork at best. Mr.choppers | ✎ 13:08, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- There is an automotive dealership that lists the Chairman on their website as the Mahindra Chairman. ~ GB fan 13:14, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per GB fan. Apparently not guesswork. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:22, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
MonsterCr1TiKaL
- MonsterCr1TiKaL → Cr1TiKaL (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in target article. Onel5969 TT me 13:03, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Seems to be a non-notable fan nickname. Aqua3993 (talk) 04:22, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Tectonic summary of Qinghai
- Tectonic summary of Qinghai → 2010 Yushu earthquake (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Tectonic summary of Qinghai Province → 2010 Yushu earthquake (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The target article does not contain a tectonic summary of the entirety of Qinghai, and only includes info that is relevant to the 2010 Yushu quake. I know there is an article in the history but this redirect existing doesn't help readers. They will get taken to a page where there is no relevant info. This redirects needs to go. 122.60.46.122 (talk) 10:49, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Restore article in the history of Tectonic summary of Qinghai per WP:BLAR and retarget Tectonic summary of Qinghai Province (a {{R from move}}) to it. Thryduulf (talk) 13:53, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Alatanbagen Taoqi
- Alatanbagen Taoqi → 2008 Sichuan earthquake (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This person is not notable. Google only returns 40 results. 122.60.46.122 (talk) 10:04, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, not mentioned in target. Sun8908 Talk 18:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Enwiki has nothing about Alatanbagen Taoqi. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:19, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Andrew Grech
- Andrew Grech → Slater & Gordon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete, no mention in target article. Securinehigh (talk) 02:26, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. A Search for "Andrew Grech" reveals 7 mentions, 3 of which are for a Maltese athlete. Given that there is no article on any of them, a Search gives the reader better results. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:18, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
High-speed rail in Spain
- High-speed rail in Spain → AVE (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- High-Speed Rail Lines in Spain → AVE (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- High-speed rail lines in Spain → AVE (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Spanish High Speed → AVE (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
With the introduction of competitor Ouigo, AVE is no longer the only HSR line in Spain. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:03, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. The first of these contains significant page history and needs to be retained for attribution if nothing else. The AVE talk page needs to be updated to reflect this. Mackensen (talk) 11:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- High-speed rail in Spain could be made an article again, but if that's not going to happen, High-speed rail in Europe#Spain is a potential target for these. - Eureka Lott 13:25, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- I agree with Eureka Lott, either write/restore an article at High-speed rail in Spain and retarget the others to it or retarget them all to High-speed rail in Europe#Spain. Whatever happens, these are all very useful search terms that should not be deleted even if there were no attribution reasons. Thryduulf (talk) 13:57, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note only the first listed redirect was tagged and correctly listed, I've fixed the others now. Thryduulf (talk) 14:01, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- That's a good target, support High-speed rail in Europe#Spain in the absence of a recreated article. The others should be tagged with {{R avoided double redirect}} to allow for the possibility of recreation. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 17:11, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Convert High-speed rail lines in Spain into a set index for the two systems, Add a see also to High-speed rail in Europe; to allow time for someone to (re-)write up an article at High-speed rail in Spain. -- 67.70.27.180 (talk) 02:47, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Fatıh Çelik
- Fatıh Çelik → Fatih Çelik (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Speedy delete: Typo in title. No need for this. CeeGee 08:32, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Tag it as {{R from typo}} (done). A minor vowel error is precisely the kind of thing that should redirect (particularly in non-English languages); after all, you created the article, and even made the same error yourself. Obviously easily done! ——Serial 09:28, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Serial Number S4129. Thryduulf (talk) 14:04, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Weird arguments by Serial Number 54129, which are taken by himself with another username. An admin has to check this deception. By the way, the two redirects Fatıh Çelık and Fatıh Çelik are worthless, will never be used in the future by anyone, because their spelling is totally wrong. CeeGee 09:15, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- @CeeGee: I beg your pardon? Are you accusing Serial Number 54129 and Thryduulf of being the same person? -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 09:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Besides the very odd allegation, I think you don't understand the purpose of redirects. Is it not reasonable that someone would make the same speling error as you did in creating this redirect? — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 09:48, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- I see that I misread the signatures. Sorry abot that, I apologize. However, also your argument is not understandable. Do we keep all the mistyped redirects for future use even when they are junk? CeeGee 09:57, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- The question is how plausible a typo is. Something like FaTiH CeLiK, I would definitely say to delete, because no one's going to type that in. But for simple typos, like mixing up 'i' and 'ı', yes, we tend to keep those. I'm more conservative than J947 in what I consider "plausible", and he and I often disagree when it comes to typo redirects, but in this case I see this as an extremely plausible typo, of the sort we keep all the time. You can take a look at Category:Redirects from misspellings if you want to see how many of these we have. You might also want to take a look at the essay WP:CHEAP, which guides a lot of how redirects are treated. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 10:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- I see that I misread the signatures. Sorry abot that, I apologize. However, also your argument is not understandable. Do we keep all the mistyped redirects for future use even when they are junk? CeeGee 09:57, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for your time explaining your POW and for the hints. Please consider that the character "ı" is in Turkish language and does not exist on English language keyboards. So there will be no possibility to type in the misspelled words for English-speaking people. Turks would never type the wrong words because they know the correct word. That is the two redirects are useless. CeeGee 11:38, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
May 24
2025 United States presidential inauguration
- 2025 United States presidential inauguration → United States presidential inauguration (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete. Not mentioned at target. ― Tartan357 Talk 22:20, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Just noting that there's an article in the history. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 23:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- That article doesn't deserve to exist. Richard75 ( talk) 23:41, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- That's not for RfD to decide. Given that it is the next inauguration, it's not out of the question for an article to exist. Anyhow, retarget to Timeline of the 2024 United States presidential election#2025. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 03:56, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- That article doesn't deserve to exist. Richard75 ( talk) 23:41, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Timeline of the 2024 United States presidential election, where it's mentioned. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 00:18, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support retarget to Timeline of the 2024 United States presidential election. ― Tartan357 Talk 03:29, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Queer platonic
- Queer platonic → Platonic love (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Queerplatonic → Platonic love (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Queerplatonic relationship → Platonic love (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:REDLINK. I couldn't find any specific discussion of queer-platonic relationships, which surprised me. I think Romantic friendship describes something similar, and it does have some discussion of queer topics, unlike the current target, but this really merits an article of its own. --BDD (talk) 14:10, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes that is surprising. There's something on a similar topic at Sexuality in The Lord of the Rings#Idealised heroic friendship, but there isn't an article on Heroic friendship either. Seems the whole area is, er, ripe for the taking. But I'm not convinced that deletion is the right option here, as Platonic love isn't a bad target and we could add a few words about the queer variety there in an instant. There's a decent entry on "Queerplatonic relationship" at The Rice University Neologisms Database which might be enough to cite a brief mention in the target article, in which case we should keep all three redirects? Chiswick Chap ( talk) 18:51, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep where they are, with mention in the target article as appropriate. There's not enough reliably sourced here that would get past the "sad stub" point for a stand-alone article, but there can and should be mention of the concept. Vaticidalprophet 10:27, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - As things currently stand, it appears best to me to leave things mostly alone and simply try to expand that targeted article with more discussions on platonic relationships between two men, two nonbinary people, two women, and so on. I'm not quite sure if WP:REDLINK really applies. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 20:13, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Reopened by request. The nominator maintains that since my closure, he has tried and been unable to add any substantial, reliably sourced content concerning queerplatonic relationships to Platonic love; as the ability to do so was a premise of both keep votes, I would challenge interested parties to add the content themselves or revise their positions. @Vaticidalprophet and CoffeeWithMarkets:
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Compassionate727 (T·C) 20:11, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Appreciate the relist. The relisting comment mostly covers it. I'd add that when this was initially closed, I decided to just add some sourced content myself, since I assume we were all on the same page that that would be an improvement. But after looking into it, I was surprised to find that it probably can't clear WP:NEO. That's why it was redirected years ago, and apparently the situation hasn't changed that much. I also considered reviving the unsourced, one-sentence stub and taking it to AfD, but that seemed ill advised. (Pinging @Chiswick Chap: also.)
- I hope we can also all agree that the status quo does not serve readers well, promising content that isn't there. Could a reader be searching for the term without already knowing what a platonic relationship is, and hence get something out of it? Maybe, but that seems unlikely, much less likely than confusing or disappointing the reader. Could someone else succeed where I've failed? If we uphold the status quo, it's likely to just come back to RfD further down the road. -- BDD ( talk) 20:55, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Notifying that I've seen this, and also that pings don't work in relists, so I only saw it by checking RfD. Will return with a !vote. Vaticidalprophet 08:29, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Preliminary, I'm fine with delete. I was leaning towards a keep in that I figured there was probably enough for a brief mention, considering the original desire for delete came from "we should be making room for a stand-alone article". If there isn't enough for either, no point. Vaticidalprophet 14:03, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Portsmouth Council (Virginia)
- Portsmouth Council (Virginia) → Tidewater Council#History (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There is no mention in the article of a Portsmouth Council. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:28, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- The text has been added to the history section. --evrik (talk) 15:10, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Portsmouth, Virginia#Government -- dylx 12:37, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep The articles that use the Portsmouth Council (Virginia) redirect are all Scouting related. There are no articles using the redirect in relation to Portsmouth, Virginia. --evrik (talk) 15:10, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per evrik. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:22, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
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Portsmouth Council (Ohio)
- Portsmouth Council (Ohio) →
Scouting in Ohio#Black Swamp Area CouncilSimon_Kenton_Council#History (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There is no mention in the article of a "Portsmouth Council". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:27, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- I pointed it at the wrong article, it should have been Simon_Kenton_Council#History.--evrik (talk) 14:47, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Evrik:. Would you please stop interfering with the process of RfD, as you also did with Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 15#Portsmouth Council. It subverts due process and creates confusion. Once an RfD has started, please don't interfere with it until it's finished. By all means express an opinion, but please do not move redirects under discussion, remove RfD tags, or edit the redirect under discussion until the RfD is closed. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:45, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Interference? The previous RfD made sense. As the author of the original redirect I went ahead and took care of it. Not everything has to be a long drawn out process. --evrik (talk) 05:09, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Evrik: Once an RfD has started it must be concluded without interference. You should not try and shorten the process other than by commenting here. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:58, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Portsmouth, Ohio#Government -- dylx 12:38, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep the only articles using Portsmouth Council (Ohio) are Scouting related articles. There are no articles pointing to Portsmouth, Ohio. --evrik (talk) 14:47, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Seems basically useful, at a minimum for communicating that the Portsmouth Council is now the Simon Kenton Council. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:21, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
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William Patlov Daniel
- William Patlov Daniel → Bill Daniel (politician) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Bill Daniel's birth name is William Partlow, not William Patlov. Not a likely typo (on top of his full birthname not being a likely search term in the first place). Lennart97 (talk) 15:58, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. I thought maybe this was an alternate transliteration in some language, but Googling
"Partlow" "Patlov"
yields nothing relevant. Old, but not a lot of pageviews. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 19:18, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Trcuk
- Trcuk → Truck (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Typo that you can only make by hitting keys in the wrong order; not the sort of thing where we're helping readers who think it's spelled this way. Too WP:COSTLY, as this would also justify Rtuck, Trukc, etc. Delete. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 01:05, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment it is a simple transposition error. And as "teh" uses over the internet indicate, such transpositions are not uncommon. The existence of the redirect does not mean that we are encouraging creating others, rather that it already exists as a redirect. WP:NOTDICT Wikipedia is not a dictionary, so it is not telling people to spell it the way the redirect does, as the target doesn't spell it that way either. Tag it as {{R from typo}} (already there) and {{R unprintworthy}}. It seems WP:CHEAP to me, unless you can show some other target that is equally or more likely. -- 67.70.27.105 (talk) 07:45, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- I initially refrained from commenting on this one due to the existence of trcuk.org. However, there doesn't seem to be information on the site about that organisation, so it's best to keep. After all, it's a pretty common typo. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:20, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. We don't need to create lots of redirects for typographical errors: type "trcuk" into the search box, you immediately get "Did you mean: truck" and lots of links with the word "truck" in them. These redirects are pointless: search engines can cope easily with single letter transpositions and direct you to the correct article. DrKay (talk) 20:39, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- They aren't pointless if they help readers find what they're looking for in less clicks. What is pointless is deleting them. We may not need to create these redirects but we definitely don't need to delete them. This RfD existing creates more maintenance than the redirect ever would. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:33, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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Long Hots
- Long Hots → Chili pepper (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
An internet search suggests that this refers to a specific pepper used in Italian (Italian-American?) cuisine, but I can't find any article on Wikipedia that corresponds to it or otherwise mentions it. I would suggest deletion to encourage article creation. signed, Rosguill talk 19:05, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete it is a Capsicum frutescens variant from Italy. However I don't think it is notable enough to warrant a mention at the Capsicum frutescens article --Lenticel (talk) 01:17, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Capsicum frutescens per Lenticel. -- dylx 15:20, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
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- I see various sources listing it as capsicum annuum (e.g. [9], [10], [11], [12]) which seems more likely owing to broad culinary use (c. frutescens are often edible but usually grown ornamentally rather than for fruit), though many of those sources are the sort I wouldn't exactly trust for scientific rigour. I saw one that said it is a type of cayenne pepper but that seems to be based only on appearance (cayennes are much hotter). I suggest keeping and tagging {{R with possibilities}}. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 17:00, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
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Moues
- Moues → Mouse (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
See related nominations of Trcuk and Baketsball. WP:AFFINITY. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 01:20, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- This is the plural of moue, retarget to facial expression as such. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 01:40, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Or maybe Moue shouldn't be a redirect. There doesn't seem to be any discussion of it in an article. A soft redirect of that to wikt:moue is an option. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 01:45, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Pout is a potential target, not very helpful though. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 01:46, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Or maybe Moue shouldn't be a redirect. There doesn't seem to be any discussion of it in an article. A soft redirect of that to wikt:moue is an option. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 01:45, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as ambiguous and likely to lead to confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:22, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Snout reflex, where "pout" and "pouting" is explained. Also retarget moue to the same place. -- 67.70.27.105 (talk) 07:48, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, I've started an RfD for Moue because there are a number of options really. J947's public account 21:55, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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N particle
- N particle → Neutrino (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Ν particle → N-ray (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Neither of the targets mentions the term. I'm also not on the right device right now to figure out what the difference between these two titles is. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:13, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep as is The first one is the Greek letter capital nu, which should point to neutrinos, while the other is the latin N, which should point to N-particles/N-rays. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:44, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- My system is telling me the opposite - the one pointing at Neutrino is Latin, the one pointing at N-ray is Greek. Thryduulf ( talk) 15:49, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- If so, then they should be flipped. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:00, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Except N-ray isn't even real, and there is no mention of an N-particle in that article. It is more likely users are searching for neutrino, which is a particle, than the N ray which is not even real. So IMO both redirects should point to Neutrino. Polyamorph (talk) 18:34, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- @ Polyamorph As LaundryPizza03 already pointed out below, "n" is also the symbol for the neutron. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:33, 25 May 2021 (UTC)- @1234qwer1234qwer4: Hmmm, that is very true. It should point to Neutron. I've corrected my comment below to reflect this. Polyamorph (talk) 11:23, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- @ Polyamorph As LaundryPizza03 already pointed out below, "n" is also the symbol for the neutron. ~~~~
- Except N-ray isn't even real, and there is no mention of an N-particle in that article. It is more likely users are searching for neutrino, which is a particle, than the N ray which is not even real. So IMO both redirects should point to Neutrino. Polyamorph (talk) 18:34, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- If so, then they should be flipped. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:00, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- My system is telling me the opposite - the one pointing at Neutrino is Latin, the one pointing at N-ray is Greek. Thryduulf ( talk) 15:49, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) The first redirect is entirely in the Latin alphabet, the second begins with a Greek capital Nu (letter). The Neutrino article mentions that it is "denoted by the Greek letter ν", "ν" being the lowercase form of "Ν". N-ray doesn't mention anything relevant as far as I can tell. So retarget Ν particle (the Greek one) to Neutrino, a particle denoted with that letter/symbol. I'm currently unsure what I think about the Latin redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 15:48, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
@Thryduulf Note that the Greek one already points at your proposed target.Was confused by Headmomb's reply, sorry. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:48, 24 May 2021 (UTC)- According to the character identifier extension I use it's actually the opposite. Thryduulf ( talk) 15:51, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget N particle (the Latin one) to Neutron per LaundryPizza. Thryduulf (talk) 13:49, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
KeepRetarget Greek Nu to neutrino. Given N-ray is not even real I'm not sure we need the latin N redirect to it. Polyamorph (talk) 16:01, 24 May 2021 (UTC)- @ Polyamorph As we have now determined (and as you can quickly check by Ctrl+F'ing "N particle"), the Greek one is actually targeting "N-ray" at the moment. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 16:07, 24 May 2021 (UTC)- Thanks, I've corrected this. N particle can stay as a redirect to neutrino. Polyamorph (talk) 18:31, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Correction: N particle should be retargeted to Neutron per LaundryPizza03Polyamorph (talk) 11:23, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, I've corrected this. N particle can stay as a redirect to neutrino. Polyamorph (talk) 18:31, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- @ Polyamorph As we have now determined (and as you can quickly check by Ctrl+F'ing "N particle"), the Greek one is actually targeting "N-ray" at the moment. ~~~~
- Retarget N particle (Latin) to Neutron (abbreviated n) and Ν particle (Greek) to Neutrino. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:03, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget per LaundryPizza -- 67.70.27.180 (talk) 02:40, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Electron antineutrino
Non-notable Dinoco 400 pit crew characters
- Roman Dunes → List of Cars characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Senior Trax → List of Cars characters#Dinoco 400 contestants (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Chief RPM → List of Cars characters#Chief RPM (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Piccolo Perry → List of Cars characters#Piccolo Perry (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Petrol Pulaski → List of Cars characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Dudley Spare → List of Cars characters#Dudley Spare (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Shirley Spinout → List of Cars characters#Dinoco 400 contestants (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These non-notable Cars characters (chiefs and members of several Dinoco 400 contestants' pit crews in the first movie) are not mentioned in the target article, and haven't been for years since they were all removed by SpikeJones back in January 2009 as part of an effort to trim down the page (see here for more info). These redirects don't seem to get very many pageviews nowadays, so I don't really know why we should keep them lying around here... Regards, SONIC678 12:27, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. If we don't have any info to provide the reader, we shouldn't act like we do. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:18, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Operation Flying Eagle
- Operation Flying Eagle → 2005 Nias–Simeulue earthquake (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There is no such thing as "Operation Flying Eagle". 122.60.46.122 (talk) 10:58, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Not mentioned at target, but according to the WHO, Operation Flying Eagle is the relief operation conducted by the Singapore Armed Forces to help people affected by the earthquake. To my knowledge, this article is the only suitable target for this redirect. -- dylx 14:22, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
3.11
- 3.11 → 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
3.11 is just a number, not an earthquake. 122.60.46.122 (talk) 10:49, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Umm... citation needed? I've heard the incident (not just the earthquake but the tsunami that caused virtually all the human casualties and property damage, including the nuclear event) called "three eleven" (spelled either "3.11" or "3/11") or "san ten ichi-ichi" (spelled "3.11") hundreds of times. Here it is on the Japanese national broadcaster's website. Here it is on a Japanese government website. Here it is on the website of a widely-circulated English-language newspaper in Japan. If you want to make an argument that outside of a Japanese context it could refer to other things, then create a disambig page or propose a retarget. While English-speakers may not, on average, "care" as much about 3.11 as they do about 9.11, pending the existence of a better redirect target there is no need to delete the current redirect. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや) 12:00, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment My Google searches for "3.11" are dominated by software version numbers (Windows 3.11 is the most notable), then comes a couple of references bible verses, more software version numbers, then on page 3 I get a couple of results related to Japan amid yet more software version numbers and paragraph 3.11 in various documents and a non-notable musical project related to a DJ/producer from Denmark. Thryduulf (talk) 15:59, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Thryduulf: I'd be cool with the creation of a disambig page if enough English-language reliable sources refer to Windows 3.11 etc. as simply "3.11", but from where I geolocate to (or perhaps my Google language settings or some such) I'm definitely not seeing the same results -- nothing but tsunami... On an aside, your speedy close below cut me off before getting to post this. Do you think there's anything to it? Why would the eight-year-old redirect page suddenly get "reviewed" by an accounted user immediately before or immediately after it gets
TRFDed by an anon user? (Sorry, I don't know how to check the exact time; my notifications say "5h" right now as they did about 30 minutes ago) Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや) 16:16, 24 May 2021 (UTC)- I've replied on your talk page regarding the redirect below. Based on my google searches alone there is no call for any content at this title as there is no strong connection with any topic at all. If that's different in Japan then that would be a reason to keep the redirect, but from someone outside Japan this is not at all obvious as the event is just not referred to as "3.11" at all. Searching for "3/11" finds an equal mix of the earthquake/tsunami and bible verses on page 1, before devolving into all sorts of incidental mentions. Thryduulf ( talk) 16:39, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- It's not clear what you mean by "google searches", but a blank Google search for me brings up nothing but Japanese-language pages on the incident that everyone in Japan calls 3.11. Google News and Google Books searches are a bit more varied and a bit less region/language-specific (news results given below), but I think it's pretty irrelevant whether some or even most sources in English that feature the "3.11" string of characters are referring to an arbitrary number that has no particular relevance to any topic with a Wikipedia article: if even one or two sources use it with the specific meaning of "the Great East Japan Earthquake and Tsunami" that should be enough, and I've already linked 10. Hear are two more from a Google Books search, one from a British publisher and one from an American publisher, both simply using "3.11" as an unambiguous reference to the Great East Japan Earthquake and Tsunami in their titles. I am not sure if these two are among the top five GBooks hits for
"3.11" "is"
("is" being included to weed out non-English results) for people not searching from inside Japan, but anyone with access to Google should be able to search for"3.11" "earthquake"
,"3.11" "tsunami"
,"3.11" "TEPCO"
,"3.11" "Fukushima"
, or"3.11" "Japan"
and see plenty of similar results. Some of these have titles that include "the 3.11 Earthquake/Crisis/Etc." in their titles, but those appear to be in the minority, and even if they are not, the presence of two books ( actually three) that simply refer to "3.11" in their titles should be enough to justify keeping the redirect, no? It may indeed be the case that this name has only become "intuitive" for Japanese natives and non-Japanese who have been living in Japan, but several such people have apparently been publishing English-language books that use the name in their titles with an apparent expectation either that their readers will already be familiar with the name or intuit its meaning from other elements on the book covers. - Sorry if I seem agitated. I'm not, but I am a little confused: as you noted on my talk page, I'm unfamiliar enough with RFD that I repeatedly misnamed it as "TFD" without even noticing. At AFD (a venue with which I have a little more experience), three full-length books (two from academic publishers) devoted to a topic would more than verify that topic's notability, so I've been assuming that if the same books' titles refer to said topic by a particular name, that name would be assumed to be a good redirect.
- Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや) 07:42, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- I should add that, while I'm reluctant to add the text
The event is often referred to simply as 3/11 or 3.11 (pronounced san-ten-ichi-ichi in Japanese).
to the linked article proper given that I am now very confused as to whether this is something that is completely unknown to practically everyone outside Japan (even those who remember reading about it and seeing it on the news back in 2011) or if anyone with a casual interest in the topic would be aware of this (and only those who [a] don't live in Japan and [b] are generally unfamiliar with the topic), as this would affect how such an addition is written (i.e., whether aWithin Japan, ...
is needed}}), "3.11" does already appear unambiguously three times in the article anyway, twice in the titles of English-language "Further reading" entries and once in the title of a Japanese-language source cited inline. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや) 09:43, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- It's not clear what you mean by "google searches", but a blank Google search for me brings up nothing but Japanese-language pages on the incident that everyone in Japan calls 3.11. Google News and Google Books searches are a bit more varied and a bit less region/language-specific (news results given below), but I think it's pretty irrelevant whether some or even most sources in English that feature the "3.11" string of characters are referring to an arbitrary number that has no particular relevance to any topic with a Wikipedia article: if even one or two sources use it with the specific meaning of "the Great East Japan Earthquake and Tsunami" that should be enough, and I've already linked 10. Hear are two more from a Google Books search, one from a British publisher and one from an American publisher, both simply using "3.11" as an unambiguous reference to the Great East Japan Earthquake and Tsunami in their titles. I am not sure if these two are among the top five GBooks hits for
- I've replied on your talk page regarding the redirect below. Based on my google searches alone there is no call for any content at this title as there is no strong connection with any topic at all. If that's different in Japan then that would be a reason to keep the redirect, but from someone outside Japan this is not at all obvious as the event is just not referred to as "3.11" at all. Searching for "3/11" finds an equal mix of the earthquake/tsunami and bible verses on page 1, before devolving into all sorts of incidental mentions. Thryduulf ( talk) 16:39, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Thryduulf: I'd be cool with the creation of a disambig page if enough English-language reliable sources refer to Windows 3.11 etc. as simply "3.11", but from where I geolocate to (or perhaps my Google language settings or some such) I'm definitely not seeing the same results -- nothing but tsunami... On an aside, your speedy close below cut me off before getting to post this. Do you think there's anything to it? Why would the eight-year-old redirect page suddenly get "reviewed" by an accounted user immediately before or immediately after it gets
- Ah, Google News has a slightly higher proportion of software, but also a lot of mortgage rate percentages, amounts in millions of USD (apparently 20 million yuan as of 14 hours ago was 3.11 million USD), COVID-19 global death totals as of four weeks ago, but still at least seven (English-language) results out of the first 30 relating to the 2011 earthquake and tsunami.[13][14][15][16][17][18][19] I'm definitely biased here as, among the non-English results I can see, every single one of the Japanese ones relates to the 2011 earthquake and tsunami while the Korean, Chinese and Malay ones uniformly refer to other things, but at the same time all of those other things seem to be "just numbers" rather than referring to a specific encyclopedic topic. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 16:29, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- When I search "3.11" on Google, I see pages and pages full of software version numbers. When I search the same thing on Google News, I only find mortgage rates and coronavirus cases in India. Nothing else. 122.60.46.122 (talk) 22:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, Google News has a slightly higher proportion of software, but also a lot of mortgage rate percentages, amounts in millions of USD (apparently 20 million yuan as of 14 hours ago was 3.11 million USD), COVID-19 global death totals as of four weeks ago, but still at least seven (English-language) results out of the first 30 relating to the 2011 earthquake and tsunami.[13][14][15][16][17][18][19] I'm definitely biased here as, among the non-English results I can see, every single one of the Japanese ones relates to the 2011 earthquake and tsunami while the Korean, Chinese and Malay ones uniformly refer to other things, but at the same time all of those other things seem to be "just numbers" rather than referring to a specific encyclopedic topic. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 16:29, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Disambiguate with March 11 , November 3, 3 AD November, 11 AD March, Windows for Workgroups 3.11, and this; list alternate spellings as "3-11", "3/11" to cover all such variations. --- 67.70.27.180 (talk) 02:43, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Is "3.11" a likely search term for any of them? Bear in mind that the redirect to the 3.11 disaster has been stable for eight years, and in the 12 years before that no one thought to redirect it to March 11 or November 3 or create a disambiguation page for them, and this does not seem to be standard procedure for any of the 13,000+ other such pages. I just looked around for another random example and typed 6.4 into the search box: should that be RFDed as well? 7.5 does not redirect to either July 5 or May 7. Your IP geolocates to Quebec, and while I have family in (and coworkers from) Canada I must admit ignorance of that nation's history, and I cannot think of any such incident from my own country's history, but comparable examples of incidents in both modern Chinese and American history, where "MM.DD" is apparently used as a common abbreviated reference to "that incident": can you give an example of an MM.DD title where the based title is a disambiguation page between a bunch of random day and month articles and one is on a very well-known incident (widely recognized as a key date in the modern history of the country where it occurred) that is commonly referred to simply as MM.DD? If such disambiguation were needed, wouldn't we already have it for the 13,000+ other such titles, or at least the 366 days of a leap year in American order? Did 9.11 and 6.4 experience these problems? Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや) 11:43, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, WfW 3.11 is likely to be known that way. And as for pure numbers, all dates are written variously and known that way, and all pure number pages should be disambiguation pages (or redirects to such) first in all cases, IMO; including all famous numbers (911 included). In Quebec a variety of date formats are found, and some people use full stops instead of dasshes or slashes. There are government TV adverts about confusion between MM[/-.]DD and DD[/-.]MM date formats. (ie. U.S. style vs European style). -- 67.70.27.180 ( talk) 06:21, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Is "3.11" a likely search term for any of them? Bear in mind that the redirect to the 3.11 disaster has been stable for eight years, and in the 12 years before that no one thought to redirect it to March 11 or November 3 or create a disambiguation page for them, and this does not seem to be standard procedure for any of the 13,000+ other such pages. I just looked around for another random example and typed 6.4 into the search box: should that be RFDed as well? 7.5 does not redirect to either July 5 or May 7. Your IP geolocates to Quebec, and while I have family in (and coworkers from) Canada I must admit ignorance of that nation's history, and I cannot think of any such incident from my own country's history, but comparable examples of incidents in both modern Chinese and American history, where "MM.DD" is apparently used as a common abbreviated reference to "that incident": can you give an example of an MM.DD title where the based title is a disambiguation page between a bunch of random day and month articles and one is on a very well-known incident (widely recognized as a key date in the modern history of the country where it occurred) that is commonly referred to simply as MM.DD? If such disambiguation were needed, wouldn't we already have it for the 13,000+ other such titles, or at least the 366 days of a leap year in American order? Did 9.11 and 6.4 experience these problems? Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや) 11:43, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Not a vote on the question, but just wanted to note that disambiguation could probably be accomplished by retargeting to the existing 3/11, if we choose to go that route. --BDD (talk) 15:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Tajikistan copyright law
Watercaust
- Watercaust → 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Non-notable WP:NEO. 122.60.46.122 (talk) 10:27, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as a novel and made-up name. Adumbrativus (talk) 07:10, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Terra Research
- Terra Research → 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
As it stands, this organisation is clearly not notable in 2021, can find 0 Google results for it, max 1 page view per day. 122.60.46.122 (talk) 08:42, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. It is mentioned in the "Other effects" section which the redirect targets, and so it is correct and harmless. I can't see what benefits would arise from deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 16:07, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Aceh 2005 earthquake
- Aceh 2005 earthquake → 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The quake occurred in 2004, not 2005. 122.60.46.122 (talk) 08:34, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment if it is looking for aftershocks in 2005, then this is the correct destination -- 67.70.27.180 (talk) 02:57, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake Not Directly Affected
- 2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake Not Directly Affected → 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake Countries That Were Not Directly Affected But Have Lost Citizens → 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausible long search terms. 122.60.46.122 (talk) 08:27, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep the latter for attribution; a merge took place. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:25, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, but these search terms are so long and implausible that keeping them would do more harm than deleting them. They shouldn't have been created in the first place. 122.60.46.122 (talk) 11:04, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Attribution is required. Deleting that redirect without leaving attribution undermines a straight rule, whereas I'm not sure how keeping it harms. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 22:53, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, but this redirect was left behind before Wikipedia switched to CC-BY-SA. Mentioning 2 or 3 significant contributors and deleting is now legally acceptable. Aqua3993 (talk) 05:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'm fine with that as long as the contributors are recorded. But I maintain that keeping the history is the easiest and best way to preserve attribution. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 06:56, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Look, I was very aware that there was page history in these redirects before I made the nomination. However, a redirect should not exist solely as a container for page history. 122.60.46.122 (talk) 08:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- If you are implying that the attribution is unneeded, then that falls afoul of copyright. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:18, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- We can move the redirect outside mainspace, preserving the page history and preventing readers from accessing it. 122.60.46.122 (talk) 22:29, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- If you are implying that the attribution is unneeded, then that falls afoul of copyright. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:18, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Look, I was very aware that there was page history in these redirects before I made the nomination. However, a redirect should not exist solely as a container for page history. 122.60.46.122 (talk) 08:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'm fine with that as long as the contributors are recorded. But I maintain that keeping the history is the easiest and best way to preserve attribution. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 06:56, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, but this redirect was left behind before Wikipedia switched to CC-BY-SA. Mentioning 2 or 3 significant contributors and deleting is now legally acceptable. Aqua3993 (talk) 05:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Attribution is required. Deleting that redirect without leaving attribution undermines a straight rule, whereas I'm not sure how keeping it harms. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 22:53, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, but these search terms are so long and implausible that keeping them would do more harm than deleting them. They shouldn't have been created in the first place. 122.60.46.122 (talk) 11:04, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Such insanely specific redirects could create harmful user expectations. See WP:PANDORA. Aqua3993 (talk) 05:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Readers will rarely ever come across this redirect by searching for it in the first place. And besides, can you imagine anyone searching up 2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake Countries That Were Not Directly Affected But Have Lost Citizens and then remembering that exact string and searching up (e.g.) 2011 Japan Earthquake Countries That Were Not Directly Affected But Have Lost Citizens? I can't. But PANDORA is a crappy, crappy, utterly flawed rationale that gets brought up far too much – redirects are judged on their own merits; few people do searches in a consistent manner and looking at the title often dictates the style of their next search anyhow; and when you think about it, PANDORA is literally "right, let's delete this (and harm readers' searches) because if they follow a pattern (1/5 or less chance by my estimation) they may be inconvenienced". I'm not sure how to express this, but PANDORA is something like let's harm xxx readers in case xxx/5 readers who follow odd pattern are harmed. It completely, utterly, defeats the point. But I digress. These ones have their merits: K4 (first one formed by page move) and preserving attribution, as well as making sure old links remain intact – both have decent pageviews. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 06:56, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete #1 as implausible. It's very old, which is a point in favor of keeping, but the low amount of pageviews suggests that no one is linking to this from elsewhere. Keep #2 for attribution reasons. Even if technically not legally required, it's good practice to maintain diffs of merged pages unless there's a strong harm in keeping the redirect, and I agree that there's not a strong case for PANDORA here. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 09:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Existential threats
- Existential threats → Global catastrophic risk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The singular form, Existential threat, was deleted in a January RfD because it is too vague. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:26, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per precedent. Honestly we should have a CSD for cases like these. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 18:19, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Stagnated democracy
- Stagnated democracy → Sergio Aguayo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I think as it stands this redirect is more likely to surprise readers than to help them. As best I can tell this is a partial title match for the English translation of a paper originally published in Spanish by this academic, which I think is a rather tenuous link. A google search doesn't suggest to me that the phrase "Stagnated democracy" is paticularly strongly associated with Sergio Aguayo. The best potential target I was able to find is Political stagnation, but I don't think it's a perfect fit. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 14:41, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget per nominator. It is confusing for a link about a political concept to lead to an article about a person. JIP | Talk 15:11, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget I agree the current target can hardly be associated with the search term. My google search showed that the term is actually used so it should be redirected either to Political stagnation or to Democracy with some information added. I've found these sources that can be used: 1 - an often mentioned work by Eric Hiariej, 2, 3 from 1870, 4 - short mention. Less Unless (talk) 14:05, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Although a consensus for retargeting has been reached, there are two potential targets here that are being discussed.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 03:40, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget - The concepts of having "de-democratization" and a "stagnating democracy" appears to be well covered in our article "democratic backsliding". CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 20:17, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to democratic backsliding. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 17:43, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 04:36, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
King Bob-omb
- King Bob-omb → Super Mario 64 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
While Bob-ombs are mentioned in the target article, King Bob-omb is not. Additionally it's ambiguous, because while he was first introduced in this game, he has appeared in many other games since. – numbermaniac 01:38, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Character is mentioned in passing in several of those other games, such as Mario Golf: Super Rush, but does not appear on any character list. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:30, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: I thought at first this might be an {{R with history}} as so many fictional character redirects are, and I'm loath to delete those, but it isn't in any meaningful sense. (It technically is, but the prior article is of no conceivable use to anyone and existed for eight minutes.) The nomination and Laundry are persuasive as to the merits of the redirect by itself. Vaticidalprophet 19:45, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Characters in the Mario franchise § King Bob-omb. I made this section since it appears it is needed. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 18:38, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- It was not. I merged it to the existing appropriate section and updated the redirect. — Smuckola(talk) 19:42, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Minecraft SMP YouTubers
- Sapnap → Dream (YouTuber)#Career (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- PmBata → Dream (YouTuber)#Discography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Antfrost → Dream (YouTuber)#Career (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- BadBoyHalo → Dream (YouTuber)#Career (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Quackity → Dream (YouTuber)#Dream SMP (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Tubbo → Dream (YouTuber)#Dream SMP (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Technoblade → Dream (YouTuber)#Dream SMP (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The subjects regarding these redirects can not count as WP:ITSA, because most part of them haven't become famous by just playing with Dream, and the few that have become famous because of Dream have established their own notability in the Minecraft community (notability that is not enough to deserve a Wikipedia article in most cases, due to lack of reliable sources). Sr. Knowthing ¿señor? 00:29, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment There is already a precedent (see Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2021_April_15#GeorgeNotFound) which was sent to AFD because it was turned into an article. The discussion was closed as deleting without redirecting. Sr. Knowthing ¿señor? 00:45, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Changing discussion title to something more reasonable for the group of redirects. Jalen Folf (talk) 01:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I feel like the redirects for the Dream SMP members should be removed unless mentioned in a section, but the 4 hunters redirects (BadBoyHalo, Sapnap, Antfrost) excluding George should stand. 92.237.102.75 (talk) 17:51, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Sapnap; Redirect GeorgeNotFound; Delete the rest. Sapnap and GeorgeNotFound are the only two individuals (besides Dream) within the Dream Team. Their association has been noted in a variety of articles online.[20][21][22] Additionally, I found more sources which mentioned Dream and GeorgeNotFound. These two articles credit GeorgeNotFound as a co-founder of the Dream SMP, and this set of articles has noted the real person fiction written about the two creators.
These sources were not discussed in the AFD for GeorgeNotFound, so I think it is safe to recreate it as a redirect (though with proper protections in place to prevent article re-creation).
As for the other redirects, many of them are not mentioned in the article. It would therefore cause more confusion if readers were directed to that article instead of getting a redlink. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 18:10, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
May 23
Horward
- Horward → Whose Line Is It Anyway? (American TV series) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is a joke from one of the episodes, and too minor to be mentioned or discussed. However, this is a surname, of which there are currently no one with articles. The most noteworthy holder seems to be historian Donald D. Horward whose name is mentioned in several references, so it would be best to have search results here. -- Tavix (talk) 21:34, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete to enable search results. Vaticidalprophet 09:44, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Goehr (composer and conductor)
- Goehr (composer and conductor) → Walter Goehr (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is an inappropriate use of {{R from surname}} due to the disambiguator. It is also not a plausible search term due to it being non-standard. It is additionally problematic because it is still ambiguous; his son Alexander Goehr followed him into his line of work. -- Tavix (talk) 21:09, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- I've fixed the one link at Princess Tam Tam. I'm confused as to why that link and this redirect was created. Can Roman Spinner please give an explanation? — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:35, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. "Goehr" was one of this composer's professional names and it was the name under which he was billed in the on-screen credits of the film Princess Tam Tam, as can be seen here at 1:02.
- Since it has been pointed out that this is an inappropriate use of {{ R from surname}} due to the disambiguator, it should be revised to a more appropriate one, perhaps {{ R from short name}}. If there is no appropriate template, perhaps this redirect can avoid using a redirect template. Although it may be non-standard, it does still remain as a plausible search term, since it is one of the names under which Walter Goehr was credited.
- While it may appear to be additionally problematic because it is still ambiguous in that his son Alexander Goehr followed him into his line of work, there is no indication that his son was ever billed or credited as simply "Goehr" and therefore Goehr (composer and conductor) would be only a search term for the father and not for the son. However, to avoid any possible misunderstandings, a hatnote can be added atop the father's entry — Goehr (composer and conductor) redirects here. For his son, see Alexander Goehr.
- As for fixing the " Goehr (composer and conductor)|Goehr" link at Princess Tam Tam so that it displays " Walter Goehr|Goehr" — since in addition to being credited as simply "Goehr", Walter Goehr was also credited as "G. Walter Goehr", "George Walter" and "Walter George", piping his alternative names as " Walter Goehr|alternative name" makes it appear at "What links here" that he was solely credited as " Walter Goehr" and does not give users the opportunity to discover in what projects he was credited under other names.
- Finally, I always try to explain my edits as fully as I can in my edit summaries. At 03:18, 4 June 2017 I wrote, "Redirecting main header delineating the appellation of German musical personality, Goehr (composer and conductor) [per his billing in the credits of the 1935 Josephine Baker feature Princess Tam Tam], to its full form, Walter Goehr" [23]. I had hoped that it would have been able to resolve any confusion as to why that link and this redirect was created. — Roman Spinner(talk • contribs) 01:00, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- This is all very well, but I think the problem that it is non-standard still stands. No reader is going to search up a term using parentheses. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVIconverse | fings wot i hav dun 01:48, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Ultimately, Goehr (composer and conductor) is simply a redirect with a parenthetical qualifier. Anyone searching for a film composer known simply as "Goehr" is going to type "Goehr" and will see, as one of the options, " Goehr (composer and conductor)". Redirects with parenthetical qualifiers are very common — there are hundreds of thousands of such redirects at various redirect categories, such as Category:Redirects from moves. — Roman Spinner(talk • contribs) 04:05, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- This is all well reasoned, but I'm not convinced that Walter is the primary topic for this search term, especially considering that Alexander is significantly more prominent. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 07:27, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Walter Goehr was not known simply as "Goehr", the credits from Princess Tam Tam displays it simply as Goehr due to space considerations. Someone who only has a surname to go off of to find an article would use the surname page Goehr, not type Goehr (composer and conductor) as a search term—it's too unwieldy. -- Tavix (talk) 13:25, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- There is no indication of a spacing problem in the credits. In fact, there is plenty of unused space in the on-screen slide containing Goehr's name. European films of the 1920s and 1930s frequently made such artistic choices in depicting some names in large print as solely surnames, while other names were depicted in full form.
- Ultimately, Goehr (composer and conductor) is simply a redirect with a parenthetical qualifier. Anyone searching for a film composer known simply as "Goehr" is going to type "Goehr" and will see, as one of the options, " Goehr (composer and conductor)". Redirects with parenthetical qualifiers are very common — there are hundreds of thousands of such redirects at various redirect categories, such as Category:Redirects from moves. — Roman Spinner(talk • contribs) 04:05, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- This is all very well, but I think the problem that it is non-standard still stands. No reader is going to search up a term using parentheses. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVIconverse | fings wot i hav dun 01:48, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Additionally, the redirect " Goehr (composer and conductor)" is not merely a search term. As pointed out above, Walter Goehr used a number of professional names, among them, Goehr (composer and conductor), G. Walter Goehr, George Walter (composer) or Walter George (composer). Users clicking on "What links here" at Walter Goehr's article should have the opportunity to determine under which name form he was credited in each of his individual projects.
- By replacing his piped credit " Goehr (composer and conductor)|Goehr" with the piped credit " Walter Goehr|Goehr", as was just done at Princess Tam Tam, makes it appear under "What links here" that he was credited on Princess Tam Tam as " Walter Goehr" and denies users the opportunity of making that determination.
- As for Walter Goehr's son Alexander, also a composer and conductor, anyone typing simply "Goehr", will indeed find both father and son at the Goehr surname page. The chief purpose of the redirect " Goehr (composer and conductor)" is for use in the credits of Princess Tam Tam and any other film or recording that billed Walter Goehr as "Goehr".
- If an uncertainty is still seen as existing, a hatnote atop Walter Goehr's article — Goehr (composer and conductor) redirects here. For his son, see Alexander Goehr — would resolve it. — Roman Spinner(talk • contribs) 05:09, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep this is an article about a person with the name Goehr who was a composer and a conductor so it's completely harmless. Nobody will benefit from it's deletion and given that it was created by a human at least one person has found it useful in the past, so it's far from impossible other people will in the future. Thryduulf (talk) 15:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- The harm ultimately derives from its ambiguity; Walter Goehr is not the only Goehr who was a composer and conductor, his son Alexander was too. -- Tavix(talk) 15:38, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Abolish Wales/Abolish Scotland
- Abolish Wales → Abolish the Welsh Assembly Party (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Abolish Scotland → Abolish the Scottish Parliament Party (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete as POINTY redirects to political parties currently in elections; these seem to have been created to allow the parties to be linked to under POV attack links. Timrollpickering (talk) 20:04, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete because of it being strange portions of a name (c.f. my essay, WP:FRIED) and because of its attack nature. NotReallySoroka (talk) (formerly DePlume) 21:10, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
- Keep both - "Abolish" is a common shorthand for national iterations of the "Abolish the [national legislature] Party", in the same way that "Tory" is shorthand for the Conservative Party, and how "GOP" is shorthand for the Republican Party. These are both plausible shorthand synonyms. WP:RNEUTRAL applies to the nominator's rationale - if these redirects are being used inappropriately that's not an issue with the title but with the editors who are abusing it. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 11:07, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 02:37, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Keep both per Ivanvector. "Abolish Scotland" is mentioned in the article, and "Abolish" is mentioned as a shorthand name of the Welsh party so "Abolish Wales" seems to also be a plausible search term since it is the "Abolish" party in Wales. A7V2 (talk) 04:31, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - Neither party uses these to describe themselves (the Scottish party actually leans more torwards 'Abolish Holyrood'), and the only reason hits appear when they're Googled is either due to Wikipedia or to news articles having the words 'abolish' and 'Scotland/Wales' in them.
- The argument that they are mentioned in the articles is weak - there is nothing there to verify that these are shortenings that are found in the real world. Plus, with the argument about the Tories and the GOP (both long-established mainstream political forces), there is a huge usage of those shortenings. The Abolish the Welsh Assembly Party was formed in 2015 and Abolish the Scottish Parliament Party in 2020, so there hasn't been a great deal of time for a single solid abbreviation of either to come about.
- On another point, these parties are not affiliated with one another; such similar redirects make it seem like they are national branches of the same party (see Scottish and Welsh Conservatives).
- My general feeling is that while these redirects could be plausible, the fact is that neither of the abbreviations are actually used anywhere (perhaps a little WP:TOOSOON). Gazamp ( talk) 12:00, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- I can see your point, but it's not necessarily a question of what they officially call themselves, and more about what people will search for; regardless of whether or not its an official abbreviation, people will think it's called "Abolish" (perhaps wrongfully so)--that's just how language works. I think a redirect would help clear up those readers' confusion or something. Ayvind-Bjarnason ( talk) 20:19, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Timrollpickering, can you elaborate on the nomination statement? What do you mean by "allow the parties to be linked to under POV attack links"? There are no incoming links right now besides notifications of this discussion (perhaps they were cleaned up). Despite the misleading grammar of the phrases, most of what I see at "abolish wales" -wikipedia and "abolish scotland" -wikipedia seems relevant. It's hard for me to see the harm. --BDD (talk) 18:27, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Str rt
- Template:Str rt → Template:Str right (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Unused, unclear template redirect. User:GKFXtalk 09:22, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- keep spelling variation, as "str" is clearly abbreviation for "string", rt is clearly abbreviation for "right"; and a commonly used abbreviation for right. (indeed, some programming languages use RT instead of RIGHT) -- 67.70.27.246 (talk) 14:51, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- As mentioned above the
Str_
part is OK and fits a convention, it's thert
that I object to. I wouldn't expect people to search forrt
if they meant "right", and it would not be that clear if part of template markup. User:GKFXtalk 18:29, 26 April 2021 (UTC)- RT is a common abbreviation for right, so I would think that some people would search this way, and it probably is a WP:CHEAP redirect as it is. RT is a recognized abbreviation for right [24] and found in some programming languages [25] ; so I think it is a reasoanble redirect and search term -- 67.70.27.246 (talk) 20:11, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- As mentioned above the
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- Delete. There's no similar redirect for Template:Str left, so I think this is more confusing than clarifying. --Bsherr (talk) 17:51, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
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Matrimonial home
- Matrimonial home → Love Shack (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not an alternative name for the song in question. Dominicmgm (talk) 17:15, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Not a reasonable search term for Love Shack, and it's averaging 0 hits a day. —valereee (talk) 17:32, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per above. -- dylx 16:42, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Amok
- Amok → Running amok (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I am wondering if this should redirect to Amok (disambiguation) instead of Running amok as "amok" (or amok trey, which is how our article is titled, although there's evidence people use amok and amok trey interchangeably) is the national dish of Cambodia, and most people looking for running amok are probably entering ran/run/running amok. People tend to use the full phrase ran/run/running amok rather than the single word amok, and I feel like a country's national dish is at least as arguable a primary target, so I'm proposing we use the dab as the primary. —valereee (talk) 17:08, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Replace with disambiguation page per nom -- 67.70.27.180 (talk) 03:57, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Move Amok (disambiguation) to Amok per above. -- dylx 16:42, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Replace with disambiguation page ("move") per nom. {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 22:27, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Move Amok (disambiguation) to Amok. Since "amok" isn't usually used alone to describe "running amok", and there are many other uses, it's reasonable to say there is no primary topic and the disambiguation page should be at the base name. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:36, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Avalahalli
- Avalahalli → B.M.S. Institute of Technology and Management (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Avalahalli is either this village, or this locale, or this forest. The only relationship B. M. S. Institute of Technology has with Avalahalli is that it is located in the village Avalahalli. A quick search on Google reveals nothing to prove that Avalahalli is a metonym for BMS Institute, nor does Avalahalli seem to have any notability of its own. This page must probably be deleted. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 16:39, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Avalahalli is not notable and it makes no sense in redirecting it to the educational institution. VV 16:58, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Draft:In Japan
Cappadocian scoundrels
- Cappadocian scoundrels → Cappadocian Fathers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Deletion. Does not appear to be a known or established phrase or expression for designating the topic under consideration. GX, May 1971 (talk) 14:50, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Keep- it appears to be a phrase used by seemingly unrelated theology blogs [26] [27]. I'm not going to pretend to understand much of anything on those sites, but the about pages suggest that the authors may be subject matter experts. Even if they aren't, this is clearly a term that has some traction in Christian theological discourse, and appears to unambiguously refer to the Cappadocian fathers, which would make it a valid {{r from non-neutral name}}. signed, Rosguill talk 22:37, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- They are anything but unrelated; Miguel de Servet, the redirect's author, as well as the writer of the first linked article, is also the one who left the comment employing the expression in the second article's comment section. — GX, May 1971 ( talk) 23:32, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, you are correct. Delete is the appropriate course of action. signed, Rosguilltalk 23:34, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- They are anything but unrelated; Miguel de Servet, the redirect's author, as well as the writer of the first linked article, is also the one who left the comment employing the expression in the second article's comment section. — GX, May 1971 ( talk) 23:32, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Untitled The Walking Dead spin-off drafts
- Draft:Untitled The Walking Dead spin-off → The Walking Dead: World Beyond (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Draft:Untitled Walking Dead spin-off → The Walking Dead: World Beyond (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Currently there is an "Untitled Daryl & Carol spin-off series" listed at The Walking Dead (franchise), but regardless, a franchise can always have "untitled spin-offs" in the making. This isn't helpful leading to a specific series. Gonnym (talk) 09:36, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Porte des Lions
- Porte des Lions → Pavillon de Flore (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target or its corresponding frWiki page, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 18:34, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment frWiki does not list it at fr:Porte des Lions -- however it does seem to exist [28][29][30] -- 67.70.27.105 (talk) 03:00, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Louvre Palace (and remove the circular wikilink that will result). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:11, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
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Α male
Grammar Nazi
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 30#Grammar Nazi
May 22
GTA 6
- GTA 6 → Grand Theft Auto#Titles (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- GTA VI → Grand Theft Auto#Titles (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 January 16 § GTA VI – retarget to Grand Theft Auto#Titles
There are no confirmed plans for Grand Theft Auto IV to come to WP:CRYSTALlization, as argued in the discussions for Grand Theft Auto IV and Grand Theft Auto 6 below. Why would we still need them lying around if that's the case? Regards, SONIC678 22:38, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete and Salt per below. Even if there were plans for this game the current target article has no mention of the 6th game or any future plans for the franchise. These should be salted if deleted as the two below have been frequent targets of unsourced hoax articles and spam. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 22:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
- Salt until a GTA 6 is officially announced. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't even come out. Dominicmgm (talk) 13:12, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete all per above. Salt would be premature though. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 14:57, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Relisting with the other discussion and noting previous discussions.
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- Keep per the 2017 discussion given that the main series has more than six games. If you misremember the numbers or are looking for a hypothetical GTA VI title, that list would be helpful to either find which GTA game you were actually wanting, or can help confirm there is not (yet) a GTA VI. -- Tavix (talk) 22:50, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Tavix and the unanimous supported arguments I made in the 2017 discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 20:08, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Grand Theft Auto VI
- Grand Theft Auto VI → Grand Theft Auto#Titles (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Grand Theft Auto 6 → Grand Theft Auto#Titles (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 January 16 § GTA VI – retarget to Grand Theft Auto#Titles
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 May 18 § Grand Theft Auto VI – no consensus
This game does not exist, nor has been officially confirmed by Rockstar Games. Any video with the title official you see on YouTube are just hoax. It can also be a sort of crystal ball. No article uses this redirect page. Kaseng55 (talk) 05:32, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete and salt. The target article has no mention of GTA 6 and no mention of any future plans for the series. The only content in the page history is Hoax content about the game being released in 2017, sourced to fake videos on YouTube. If deleted this will probably need salting as there have been multiple attempts to make an article at this title. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 17:06, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete and salt per above. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 14:58, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Bundling, relisting with the other discussion, and noting previous discussion.
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- Keep per the 2017 discussion given that the main series has more than six games. If you misremember the numbers or are looking for a hypothetical GTA VI title, that list would be helpful to either find which GTA game you were actually wanting, or can help confirm there is not (yet) a GTA VI. -- Tavix (talk) 22:51, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Weak keep. Given the confusing naming of the series, this seems like a useful redirect, and I don't think it does any harm. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 07:44, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Tavix and the 2017 discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 20:09, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Awesometown
- Awesometown → The Lonely Island (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Awesometown is a common nickname for Valencia, Santa Clarita, California and the adjacent unincorporated area of Valencia, California. It is also sometimes used to refer to Santa Clarita as a whole. Search "awesometown valencia" or "awesometown santa clarita" on Google or any other search engine for proof. Should be changed to disambiguation page. Crossover1370 (talk | contribs) 05:10, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Right now, Awesometown as a nickname for Valencia isn't mentioned in any article, so a disambiguation page is a non-starter. If it were mentioned, then disambiguation could be achieved with a hatnote. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:24, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Shhhnotsoloud. The only mentions of "Awesometown" I can find on Wikipedia currently relate to the current target. Thryduulf (talk) 12:40, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- There are plenty of sources that mention the use of "Awesometown" as a nickname for Valencia and/or Santa Clarita. There is the Los Angeles Times, Curbed, the Santa Clarita Valley Signal, NBC Los Angeles, and the city of Santa Clarita itself. The name "Awesometown" was used by the Newhall Land and Farming Company (which developed Valencia) to advertise Valencia.
Update: I added the "Awesometown" nickname to the Valencia, Santa Clarita article with a source. Crossover1370 (talk | contribs) 18:25, 4 May 2021 (UTC) - There are a few mentions that don't relate to the current target, so I'm not sure where the keep as is !voters are coming from. See for example Jack Black, Parry Gripp, and List of city nicknames in California#V. J947's public account 22:09, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per nom and per J947's findings immediately above. CycloneYoris talk! 05:51, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
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Aerothermodynamics
- Aerothermodynamics → Aerodynamic heating (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No mention in the target article. Claims of there being a separate subject area by another editor have been reverted for not providing sources. Jalen Folf (talk) 20:43, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
Pseudophysics
- Pseudophysics → Pseudoscience (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This was the original title of an article Pseudoscience (physics) about a non-notable neologism defined as pseudoscience in the domain of physics. After a convoluted process, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pseudoscience (physics) (2nd nomination) resolved to delete the article and redirect to List of topics characterized as pseudoscience#Physics. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:51, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of topics characterized as pseudoscience#Physics. Previous discussions have established the current target is unsatisfactory. This could merit deletion, but I think this is a valid search term and should target the same content as the version of the title that was kept as a redirect (Pseudoscience (physics)). This would also preserve this piece of the convoluted edit history. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:57, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Morai
- Morai → Heiau (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at target, but might probably refer to other topics, such as Rashid Morai or a redlinked entry at {{Areas of Chennai}}. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 20:36, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I also searched this redirect looking for Moirai. OcelotCreeper (talk) 15:53, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- @ OcelotCreeper Could also be a typo of Mirai. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 08:51, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
- @ OcelotCreeper Could also be a typo of Mirai. ~~~~
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- "morae, marae, morai - term used by foreign observers when referring to heiau" - https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/kona/historyg.htm Nurg (talk) 02:05, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to marae per Nurg. marae means a sacred place that serves religious and social purposes in Polynesian societies. Morai is indeed mentioned in the current target, see the image captioned "An illustration of a heiau at Kealakekua Bay at the time of James Cook's third voyage, by William Ellis." The image says it is a view of a Morai. The image description at Commons says it is of a Morai at Kealakekua Bay. The Kealakekua Bay article mentions Morai as a sacred burial ground. Jay (talk) 11:52, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
- Disambig. It can include Rashid Morai, the redlinked entry at {{Areas of Chennai}} (last I checked WP:RED, this is allowed), the term morae, marae, morai, and possibly Moirai and Mirai in a see also section. OcelotCreeper (talk) 16:17, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
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- I don't particularly care what happens to it, but if I had to make a decision I'd leave it as it is, since it's a term used when referring to heiau. Nurg (talk) 10:31, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate seems prudent, seeing as we've come up with four more or less reasonable targets (heiau, Rashid Morai, moirai, marae). —Compassionate727 (T·C) 19:34, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
George Trebek
- George Trebek → Alex Trebek (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Currently, a hatnote at Alex Trebek points to George Trebeck (with a "c"). Alex Trebek is, certainly, a more notable figure than George Trebeck. However, I can find barely any instances of anyone ever referring to Trebek by just his first and last names. The Googling is somewhat complicated by the fact that his father had the same first name, but "george trebek" -father turns up only one relevant result that I can find: this blog post describing an article the Ottawa Citizen allegedly ran in 1961. It refers to him as "George Trebek" in the headline but "George Alexander Trebek", second reference "Alexander", in the body. (I'll note that a search for the quoted headline returns only that blog post, nothing from the Citizen itself, and the blog isn't exactly an RS.)
Given all that, I find it rather unlikely that someone would search for our article on Trebek using this search term. I suppose someone could be looking for information about his father, but the article only says a few words about George E. Trebek, so in that case a redirect is misleading. I propose retargeting to George Trebeck with hatnote pointing to the current target. Second choice delete per WP:XY. -- Tamzin (they/she) | o toki tawa mi. 13:42, 30 April 2021 (UTC) Added context (see underlined portion). -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 15:25, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Keep - I can't understand what this proposal is about because George Trebek is a page, not a redirect. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:39, 30 April 2021 (UTC)- @ Kautilya3: Perhaps the issue is the similar titles? George Trebek, the subject of this RFD, redirects to Alex Trebek. George Trebeck (note the "c"), my proposed new target, is an article about a 19th-century explorer. Unless I'm hallucinating here... -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 15:19, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Kautilya3: err, George Trebek is a redirect to Alex Trebek, and has been since creation in 2014. Thryduulf ( talk) 15:28, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. (Sorry for all the confusion!) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:39, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
- Keep most people would guess at "-eck", not "-ek", if they didn't know the spelling, and it's unlikely that this would ever have been created as a redirect to George Trebeck. If there are sources for this as an alternative spelling of Trebeck, I would support retargeting. Peter James (talk) 16:50, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
- Keep although not common, I did find this with "George A. Trebek". MB 03:01, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- Weak Keep. I personally think that Alex Trebek is a better target, since George Trebek is a less common name of George "Alex Trebek", whereas its only a misspelling of George Trebeck. The latter is also only a stub, and gets far less page views. However, I do understand where the nominator (Tamzin) was going. Additionally, when I compared the page views of the redirect with that of George Trebeck, in an attempt to see if the redirect had more page views (therefore proving that most people who took the redirect didn't immediately jump to the George Trebeck article), I found that the article had more page views, disproving my original point. However this doesn't directly prove that more people are actually looking for the George Trebeck article when typing "George Trebek", so this is staying as my opinion unless that gets proved. Mattx8y (talk) 01:02, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Retarget per nom. SCP-053 (talk) 23:37, 6 May 2021 (UTC)- — SCP-053 (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Waitemata (talk • contribs). -- Tamzin (they/she) | o toki tawa mi. 21:51, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, correct names should generally be prioritised over incorrect names. The hatnote suffices. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 20:35, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Relisting per a request on my talk page. Discussion was previously closed as keep.
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- Delete. People who are better known by their middle name than their real first name don't need redirects from the first names that almost nobody actually knows about. The likelihood that anybody would ever search for Alex Trebek by typing George Trebek in the search box is literally non-existent. Bearcat (talk) 13:10, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- That's not really borne out by actual data. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 22:29, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- That just proves that people have searched for "George Trebek". It fails to prove that they did so intending to get to Alex, rather than looking for George Trebeck and landing on Alex by surprise. Bearcat (talk) 23:42, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I'm responding to your argument for deletion. It could be that those readers are looking for something like George Trebeck, but that isn't an argument for deletion, that's an argument for the redirect to be retargeted. If the redirect is deleted then readers searching for targets other than Alex Trebek will be disadvantaged by suboptimal search results. If the redirect is kept as is or retargeted readers will easily access the article they are after via hatnotes that are already there (or would likely be added). So, why delete? — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 00:01, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- A fundamental limitation of RFD is that we can't read the minds of people who access a redirect. But we can use common sense. Do we think that people are, with any regularity, typing in "George Trebek" because they're looking for Alex Trebek? That's not a rhetorical question. If the answer is "yes", we should keep the redirect, and if it's "no", we should retarget (per me) or delete (per Bearcat). But could you elaborate on why you think it's a "yes"? Number of hits alone isn't a good enough argument in either direction, since it's not like our readers get a "How satisfied are you with where this redirect pointed you?" quiz that pops up. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 00:10, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- My main concern as to this redirect is that it shouldn't be deleted as that harms readers' ability to find the right page, but the target doesn't matter so much as there's an appropriate hatnote. For me, there's negligible difference between where readers are looking between the two targets, and in that scenario, the correct name is generally prioritised as to not "punish" readers for entering a correct name. (FWIW, I think it's surprisingly common to remember a person's last name but only a less common given name – odd memory things.) J947's public account 00:49, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- I meant "delete" specifically in the sense that it shouldn't be pointed to Alex. If somebody wants to repoint it to George instead of deleting it, or recreate a new redirect to George from the redlink after deleting it, I have no issue with that — I only have an issue with it being pointed to Alex. Bearcat (talk) 20:41, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- A fundamental limitation of RFD is that we can't read the minds of people who access a redirect. But we can use common sense. Do we think that people are, with any regularity, typing in "George Trebek" because they're looking for Alex Trebek? That's not a rhetorical question. If the answer is "yes", we should keep the redirect, and if it's "no", we should retarget (per me) or delete (per Bearcat). But could you elaborate on why you think it's a "yes"? Number of hits alone isn't a good enough argument in either direction, since it's not like our readers get a "How satisfied are you with where this redirect pointed you?" quiz that pops up. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 00:10, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I'm responding to your argument for deletion. It could be that those readers are looking for something like George Trebeck, but that isn't an argument for deletion, that's an argument for the redirect to be retargeted. If the redirect is deleted then readers searching for targets other than Alex Trebek will be disadvantaged by suboptimal search results. If the redirect is kept as is or retargeted readers will easily access the article they are after via hatnotes that are already there (or would likely be added). So, why delete? — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 00:01, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- That just proves that people have searched for "George Trebek". It fails to prove that they did so intending to get to Alex, rather than looking for George Trebeck and landing on Alex by surprise. Bearcat (talk) 23:42, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- That's not really borne out by actual data. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 22:29, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
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TLC Beatrice
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 29#TLC Beatrice
Fort Ree
- Fort Ree → Fort Lee, New Jersey (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, internet search results do not suggest that this is a commonly used alternative name for the target. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 19:23, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete unless mentioned. My searches found that while it's not the most common name for the target, it does appear to be a notable name in the local area in reference to the high proportion of Korean residents (c.f. Koreatown, Fort Lee) so a mention might be due (it would require more research than I've done to determine that). Almost all the google results for other things are actually OCR errors or not English. Thryduulf (talk) 20:21, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment if kept, refine to Koreatown in Fort Lee, since in Korean romanizations, the Korean name Lee can also be romanized as Rhee or Ree -- 67.70.27.180 (talk) 03:56, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Kobe Jones
- Kobe Jones → 2021 Atlanta Falcons season (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There is no need for this redirect (and potentially stops this page from being filled out if need be) Debartolo2917 (talk) 03:49, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep for now. The redirect can always be boldly turned into an article once he plays a regulation game. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 14:25, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Revert back to being a misspelling redirect for Cobi Jones, the status quo since 2007. If the other Jones becomes notable, it can be overwritten with an article. Either way, there's a long precedent of deleting redirects to season articles so the current set up is unhelpful. -- Tavix (talk) 03:07, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
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Prince Filip
Radio 1 music for lady diana
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 29#Radio 1 music for lady diana
LifeWorks
Jamie Jones (musician)
- Jamie Jones (musician) → Jamie Jones (DJ) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is a questionable redirect. Jamie Jones (DJ) is not a musician. There is a Draft:Jamie Jones (musician), which is being reviewed. In my judgment as a reviewer, it has more than a 50% chance of surviving an AFD, and should be accepted, but this redirect needs to be replaced with hatnotes between the two Jamie Jones articles. Please delete this redirect. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:52, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Robert McClenon, if you are wanting the draft to take this redirect's place (which it should) then go over to WP:RMTR. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 02:44, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment' to User:J947 - I respectfully disagree. Technical moves are for non-contentious moves, e.g., to upgrade from a redirect to an article. This is a controversial move, because the existing redirect is wrong. Robert McClenon ( talk) 13:25, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- Robert McClenon, you said that
Jamie Jones (DJ) is not a musician.
Given that there are no other Jamie Jones (musician)s on the site, then shouldn't the draft take this redirect's place? I think this is pretty uncontroversial if DJs aren't considered musicians. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 22:23, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- Robert McClenon, you said that
- Comment' to User:J947 - I respectfully disagree. Technical moves are for non-contentious moves, e.g., to upgrade from a redirect to an article. This is a controversial move, because the existing redirect is wrong. Robert McClenon ( talk) 13:25, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- Please add Jamie Jones (Musician) to this entry. M uppercase. Jay (talk) 21:30, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- How about creating the alternative page as Jamie Jones (singer)? And Delete the musician redirects to avoid confusion, since a DJ is a musician too. Jay (talk) 21:30, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment is he a musician or a music producer? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 09:37, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
May 21
PuffballsUnited
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Oulo
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MKSA system
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Jersey Wiki
Fernsehen
Kezhual
Transnational issues of the Glorioso Islands
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Year in Review 10th Century
US-amerikanisch
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WWAFAWDWG?
- WWAFAWDWG? → When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go? (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
per Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2019_April_25#WWAFAWDWG -- dylx 17:18, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
@Rosguill, Daybeers, MaranoFan, AngusWOOF, and Rubbish computer: pinging users who participated in the previous discussion. -- dylx 12:39, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per the previous consensus. The addition of a question mark does not make a significant difference. Thryduulf (talk) 18:21, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Weak Keep. A google news search shows a few sites using this acronym to refer to the album, the version without the question mark seems to have been used as a twitter hashtag to promote the album, and it doesn't seem to be ambiguous with anything else. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 22:20, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - Mostly fanmade acronym that is of no encyclopedic significance, not mentioned at target.--NØ 12:50, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
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George Fan
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Robert Feggans
- Robert Feggans → Jonas Brothers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in the target, or any other article, with the exception of Sonny with a Chance (season 1), which wouldn't be a useful target. Having inquired at the target talk page, there doesn't seem to be any interest in adding a mention there. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:34, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Jonas (TV series)#Recurring where there is a description. Jay (talk) 09:12, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- The description seems to be of a fictional character he plays (albeit a semi-autobiographical one), which tells the reader next to nothing about Feggans himself; I'd probably still favour deleting. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 16:45, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- How about Jonas (TV series)#Casting where it says he is their real life bodyguard playing the fictional bodyguard. Jay (talk) 17:42, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- The description seems to be of a fictional character he plays (albeit a semi-autobiographical one), which tells the reader next to nothing about Feggans himself; I'd probably still favour deleting. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 16:45, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget per Jay given no mention. The Talk page conversation (or lack of) is now at Archive 2 (and so unlikely to attract any further attention). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:42, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
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Next National Assembly for Wales election
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Next Welsh Assembly Election
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Complex variables (disambiguation)
- Complex variables (disambiguation) → Complex variables (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
It seemed like I didn't need this page because complex variables are already disambiguating or redirecting. Also, it is currently a double redirect. I started the discussion because there may be some objections to changing Complex variables to redirects. --SilverMatsu (talk) 03:02, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Speedy keep You were the one who redirected the disambiguation page at the title. This was a bad move on your part. You seemingly also did a WP:CPMOVE of the target to Several complex variables, which is now a malformed disambig that doesn't distinguish topics with this name. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:48, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Several complex variables and complex analysis have been considered for merge once, and it is ambiguous whether to limit complex analysis to one variable. Sure, for a different reason than disambiguating complex variables, but I didn't copy it. Several complex variables are certainly extensions of one-complex variable analysis to multiple variables, but limiting the scope to analysis alone seems a bit narrow. Another reason I would to make it clear that we didn't change the category name. That is, not only as a short name for the Function of several complex variables, but also as a field name. --SilverMatsu (talk) 15:38, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment "complex variables" should be revert to its 2012 revision, and marked as a set index instead of a disambiguation page. -- 67.70.27.105 (talk) 00:56, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
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- CommentAlternatively, redirect complex variables to complex analysis and provide a hat note at the beginning of the complex analysis. Currently, complex analysis seems to mainly explain one-variable complex functions, and has the effect of clarifying this as a side effect.--SilverMatsu (talk) 01:42, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: I support SilverMatsu's previous comment of making Complex variables redirect to Complex analysis. Note that the term "complex analysis" itself carries the same subtlety as "complex variables", where it can broadly mean both complex analysis in one variable and several variables, but commonly refers specifically to the one-variable theory. So I think Complex analysis is the primary topic. The manner/degree to which functions of several complex variables are mentioned there can be left up to editorial judgment on that page. Alternatively, I think the status quo is the second-best option and also reasonable. Adumbrativus (talk) 03:33, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Complex analysis with a hatnote to Function of several complex variables. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:53, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Rooah
- Rooah → Spirit (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in target article (the article now at spirit (animating force) used to be a the base name, and it's not mentioned there or explained anywhere on Wikipedia as far as I can tell) (t · c) buidhe 22:37, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete An old version claims rooah to be a variant spelling of ruach, in which case WP:RFOREIGN applies. Certes (talk) 23:52, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
- Why not redirect to the article that covers the concept then? That's Holy Spirit in Judaism (which is the target of Ruach). – Uanfala (talk) 14:37, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
- If there's any evidence that rooah is Hebrew for Holy Spirit then yes, that would be a valid target because the language is relevant to the topic. Certes ( talk) 14:52, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
- Well, ruach is the Hebrew word for 'spirit' (as documented in the article), and rooah is a straightforward alternative/incorrect anglicisation of that word. – Uanfala (talk) 13:23, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- If there's any evidence that rooah is Hebrew for Holy Spirit then yes, that would be a valid target because the language is relevant to the topic. Certes ( talk) 14:52, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
- Why not redirect to the article that covers the concept then? That's Holy Spirit in Judaism (which is the target of Ruach). – Uanfala (talk) 14:37, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
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Retarget to Holy Spirit in Judaism per Uanfala.Rooah is an alternative to Ruah which already refers to Ruach. Jay (talk) 22:53, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Holy Spirit in Judaism per User:Uanfala and User:Jay. JIP | Talk 22:30, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- JIP and Jay: Ruah is a disambiguation page, and as far as I can see rooah is a plausible misspelling for any of the other entries there. – Uanfala (talk) 14:54, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- And rooah could also be an alternative to ruh which is the Holy Spirit in the Quran and is consistent with the Hebrew Bible.
So probably Retarget to the base article Holy Spirit.I have added this Rfd at that talk page to see if there is any interest. Jay ( talk) 18:15, 22 May 2021 (UTC)- Retarget to Holy Spirit in Judaism per Apaugasma's explanation of the "-akh/-ah" ending. Jay ( talk) 18:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- And rooah could also be an alternative to ruh which is the Holy Spirit in the Quran and is consistent with the Hebrew Bible.
- Retarget to Holy Spirit in Judaism: the Hebrew word ruach/ruah and the Arabic word rūḥ are cognates (both meaning "wind", "breath", "spirit"), but the "-akh/-ah" ending is typical for Hebrew. I don't think someone looking for the Arabic rūḥ would naturally transliterate "rooah", but in Hebrew yes. Apaugasma (talk|contribs) 23:06, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to the dab Ruah. If rooah is a plausible misspelling for ruah, then I don't see any reason why it should be more plausible as a misspelling for one given ruah rather than another. The Hebrew ruach is one of several entries on the dab page. – Uanfala (talk) 20:35, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Tinkling
- Tinkling → Urination (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The article Urination does not say that tinkling is a euphemism for urination (in fact it describes tinkling as a sound). I don't think having this redirect is helpful and a better target may be soft redirect to wikt. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:50, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
- Soft retarget to wiktionary:tinkling --Lenticel (talk) 00:36, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- Disambiguate it is indeed urination [31][32][33] -- therefore, disambiguate between unrination (and is already indicated in wiktionary at wikt:en:tinkle which indicates the verb for tinkling); and tinkling sound, which is a type of harmonic oscillation (ringing), so Harmonic oscillator -- 67.70.27.105 (talk) 21:26, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate as it can just as easily refer to the sound. MB 16:02, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to Wiktionary - there's more and better information there than there is on Wikipedia. Urination mentions tinkling as a sound, but I can't find any target which describes the sound in any kind of detail; harmonic oscillator is an article about physical mechanics and doesn't describe a tinkling sound nor any sound at all. Any disambiguation we could create would just be a poor WP:DICDEF substitute for what's already written on Wiktionary. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 19:56, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Disambiguate It might also mean telephoning or working as a tinker. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:23, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to Wiktionary per Ivanvector. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 14:10, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep or disambiguate. I think the current target is the primary topic, but that doesn't seem to be the consensus here, so disambiguate the topics mentioned above and include the Wiktionary link there. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:05, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Perfect Ten
- Comment I've made the adjustment to retarget Perfect Ten to Perfect 10 to avoid a double redirect. The dabpage was itself moved in an RM that just closed. 162 etc. (talk) 19:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Opel Meriva Life
- Opel Meriva Life → Citroën Berlingo#K9 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 16:53, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, hoax created by vandalism account. Mr.choppers | ✎ 17:32, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Please also delete Opel Combo Life, Vauxhall Combo Life, Opel Combo Cargo, also created by the same blocked user. Thanks, Mr.choppers | ✎ 17:34, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Speedy Delete G3 as a hoax. Dominicmgm (talk) 18:23, 11 May 2021 (UTC)- Oh wait... it's a real variant. Maybe it should warrant mentioning in the Opel Meriva article? Dominicmgm (talk) 18:28, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- "Life" was just an equipment level of the regular Meriva; it doesn't merit a redirect. Especially not since this entry is an effort by a sock puppeteer/vandal to create non-existant rebadged cars (it was never a version of the Citroën Berlingo). See also Opel VXR8, Daewoo Polonez, Daewoo Polonez Kombi. Mr.choppers | ✎ 20:24, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
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Cheko no Kechō
- Cheko no Kechō → Jiří Procházka (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- チェコの怪鳥 → Jiří Procházka (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Cheko no kechō → Jiří Procházka (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 16:46, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment the name was deleted on May 9 [34] with a weird edit comment about "Simple"; I don't get what the edit comment is referring to. -- 67.70.27.105 (talk) 02:27, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
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Gender violence
- Gender violence → Violence against women (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Gender-based violence → Violence against women (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Gendered violence → Violence against women (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Gender violence also includes Violence against men and Violence against LGBT people. Sharouser (talk) 02:39, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
- Disambig (or setindexify) at Gender-related violence (to match Category:Gender-related violence). A few of the articles in the category would also make sense on the dab/set index (e.g. Online gender-based violence). Thryduulf (talk) 12:01, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Violence against men is sexual violence. Same with LGBT, but with LGBT being a broad term, gay bashing is different from trans bashing, the former being sexual violence, and the latter gender violence. The title of Online gender-based violence is misleading as the article talks only about violence against women. The proper title could have been "Online violence against women". Jay (talk) 15:33, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Violence against LGBT person is also gender violence. We should create gender violence as an article. [35] Sharouser (talk) 14:48, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Agree that we need an article. We can request one at WP:Requested articles/Social sciences#Sociology. Jay ( talk) 16:47, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- European commission says that "Gender-based violence can take different forms and mostly affects women and girls" Non-binary person or Man can be victims of gender violence. Sharouser (talk) 14:54, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Literal meaning of GV does not exclude violence against men or LGBT. Sharouser ( talk) 14:54, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per Thryduulf and Sharouser comments. A separate article can be created later. -- 67.70.27.105 (talk) 02:22, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. As explained at Violence against women these terms are normally used interchangably with "violence against women". The meaning of a phrase does not have to match its literal definition. Kaldari (talk) 05:50, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- That they are sometimes (incorrectly) used interchangably does not mean they always are - see the multiple articles in the category that are not (exclusively) about violence against women. Thryduulf ( talk) 10:42, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
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Kamagethi dynasty
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Corbyn
- Corbyn → Corbyn (name) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Was targeted to Jeremy Corbyn for a long time, recently retargeted to Corbyn (name). I'm personally indifferent to where it should go, but I think this should be discussed first. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:33, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- It was only between 2015-2020 the surname "Corbyn" would definitely have referred to Jeremy Corbyn amongst most of the British public - Jeremy Corbyn was a backbencher between 1983 and 2015 and most people wouldn't have heard of him. Since stepping down as leader of the Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn hasn't really been in the spotlight apart from stating the odd comment about something here and there. Since 2020, Jeremy Corbyn's brother Piers Corbyn has been receiving a lot of publicity for his conspiracy theories about Covid-19 and his views about vaccines and lockdowns. If you look at the history of the Piers Corbyn article, you will see that the article has been greatly expanded over the last year or so. Piers Corbyn even tried to become the Mayor of London! The surname is associated with both brothers these days rather than just Jeremy Corbyn.--OZZY19455 (talk) 10:35, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=Corbyn&pws=0 first page seems to be split 50:50, so it doesn't seem likely that Jeremy would be more likely to be the topic of interest for his surname than all the others combined, esp. in the long term. It should be noted, though, that the article title is a bit odd - if there's no potential for anything other than a name there, and no potential for surname and given name to be split, it should just be named "Corbyn". --Joy [shallot] (talk) 10:49, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Jeremy Corbyn remains by some way the best known person with this name, still a lot more important than his brother. PatGallacher (talk) 11:43, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- @PatGallacher: Is he? According to whom? 'Corbyn' isn't synonymous with Jeremy Corbyn. In fact, in 2021, I would argue that it depends on whom you ask as to whether or not Corbyn means Jeremy Corbyn or Piers Corbyn. The latter has had tons more coverage in the press over the last year or so, although I would argue for the wrong reasons. Prior to 2015, Jeremy Corbyn was pretty much a nobody - a backbencher radical rebel who wasn't that well known to the British public - whereas his brother Piers Corbyn has been involved with politics, weather predictions and climate change denial for decades. Since stepping down as the leader of the Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn is only in the press when it's got something to do with the Labour Party like right now.-- OZZY19455 ( talk) 21:38, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- If the redirect is kept as it is, a WP:ROUNDROBIN move should take place. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 22:32, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Disambiguate between Jeremy Corbyn, Corbyn (name) the name article, Corbyn, Stacey & Company (which existed as Corbyn before 1772), Labour Party leadership of Jeremy Corbyn, Corbyn: The Strange Rebirth of Radical Politics which has the short title "Corbyn";;; and see alsos for Corbyn Head Hotel, Corbin (disambiguation), Corbins, Corban (disambiguation), Corben, and a wiktionary link -- 67.70.27.105 (talk) 09:59, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Move Corbyn (name) to Corbyn which is what should have been done instead of redirecting Corbyn to Corbyn (name). The fact that the redirect was retargeted (albeit incorrectly) and from comments on this RfD entry, it is not clear that Jeremy is the primary topic. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:49, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Move Corbyn (name) to Corbyn. I don't think we need a dab just to handle WP:PARTIAL matches.—Bagumba (talk) 08:36, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Move Corbyn (name) to Corbyn per the above. Seems like the logical solution.
L. Ron Hubbard (author)
Harassed a Reporter(My Name Is Earl)
Buried Treasure(My Name Is Earl)
Philip Thomas Tucker
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The creation of Nazo and Silver the hedgehog
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American Broadcasting Companies
May 20
Moue
- Moue → Facial expression (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
See this RfD. Should this target facial expression as it is right now, or pout, snout reflex, wikt:moue, deleted, disambiguated, or what? I don't have a preference for any of the options currently, other than that the current target is a bit inferior to any other target IMO. J947's public account 21:55, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to snout reflex as that is where the pout or moue is explained {{R from synonym}} / {{R from subtopic}}, and repoint "moues" there as well. "pout" is a disambiguation page, so the wrong target, since it isn't a disambiguation page for "moue/s" ; "facial expression" could serve as the destination, but "snout reflex" covers pouting, which is what a moue is. -- 67.70.27.180 (talk) 02:17, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
Wuhan Flu Timeline
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Filipino Traditional Food:Bagoong
- Filipino Traditional Food:Bagoong → Bagoong (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausible title. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 11:37, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- There's a fair amount of hard-to-find history about this redirect (see contribs of creator), so I'm tempted to keep this redirect to preserve some of that history. The redirect isn't harming anyone after all. Also a surprising amount of views. J947's public account 22:30, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep per pageviews - it's obviously linked from somewhere. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 17:33, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete it started as a WP:CFORK and was immediately redirected, and edit warred, and finally redirected, in a short time period right after creation. Thus it has almost always been a redirect with a bad name, that seems like a fake WP:SUBPAGE in mainspace. There's no base article Filipino Traditional Food -- 67.70.27.180 (talk) 02:23, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- I believe that the Filipino Traditional Food: prefix was an attempt at a namespace with Filipino traditional foods. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 10:23, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Implausible title, and my guess is that the page views are from people finding it via the search bar and wondering: "What the hell?", then clicking on it to find out. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:07, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
PiB
Nascar racing
Kwessely/Applied Spectral Imaging
Ye maaya chesave serial
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Adversarial input
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Pirating
Blocking (Wikipedia)
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Lunchtime O'Boulez
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Chyalothrin
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Lance Weller
Prngle manouver
May 18
The Bedtime Business Song
Pre-1980 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons
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Tropical cyclones in xxxx
Pre-1980 Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone seasons
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The Best Day Taylor Swift song
The Unknown Singer (Franchise)
The Unknown Singer (U.S. TV series)
Persian Sea
- Persian Sea → Persian Gulf (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Persian sea → Arabian Sea (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Persian Sea redirected to Persian Gulf from 2006 to 2010, then to Arabian Sea till late 2019, then back to Persian Gulf. Persian sea has redirected to Arabian Sea since 2012. The discrepancy appears to be related to the lesser-known twin to the Persian Gulf naming dispute, with some Iranians using "Persian Sea" to mean "Arabian Sea"; but others seem to use it as a synonym for "Persian Gulf". Google results show that it's not a very often-used term, unlike its cousin in the naming dispute, "Arabian Gulf"; to the extent that it is used, I don't see a clear winner between it meaning "Arabian Sea" vs. "Persian Gulf."
My inclination is that these should both point to Persian Gulf, because in a body of water's name, the place name is more relevant than the type of body. I think the average person hearing "Persian Sea" would think of the Persian Gulf, just like you'd think of the Gulf of Mexico if someone said the "Sea of Mexico". However, this is a weak preference. What's most important is that these point to the same thing. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 07:39, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note to closer: Due to the history of nationalistic POV-pushing on this topic, I would suggest that, whatever the outcome here, the redirects be fully protected. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 07:45, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- persian sea can redirect to Persian Sea (historical) .it is mistake to redirect to persian gulf. 09:11, 18 May 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Basp1 (talk • contribs)
- @Basp1: can you elaborate? We don't seem to have an article on a historical Persian Sea, which I take to mean a body of water that is neither the Persian Gulf nor the Arabian Sea. Ivanvector's squirrel ( trees/ nuts) 15:58, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Disambig. It doesn't appear that any one use is more prominent that the others. Thryduulf (talk) 15:05, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget both to Arabian Sea, with a hatnote to Persian Gulf. While I can understand the confusion, from reviewing the materials at Persian Gulf naming dispute I see that if any body of water is labelled "Persian Sea" it's what Wikipedia refers to as the Arabian Sea, while the Persian Gulf is sometimes labelled "Arabian Gulf". In other words, the sea is always a sea, and the gulf is always a gulf (the reverse of the consistency that Tamzin identified). Or in other other words, the naming dispute is always over what the gulf should be named after: Persia or Arabia (or a number of other things, among them Britain because of course), and while some people might confuse the nomenclature of sea vs. gulf, that is much less historically significant. I agree that whatever is decided, these redirects should be at least semiprotected. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 15:18, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Arabian Sea per Ivanvector. Some form of protection is needed, too. Tol | Talk | Contribs 15:42, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment This is a really complicated issue and I find myself agreeing with both @Tamzin and @Ivanvector (although I have a small note on Ivanvector comment, I will post it in his talk page later though). I tried researching the issue by browsing Google Scholar and reading the sources that were posted by @Basp1 and (now blocked indefinitely) @HistoricalNameisPersianSea and... honestly? I feel more lost now than when I've started. So I thought I would present my findings and why I don't necessarily lean to either redirecting to the Persian Gulf or the Arabian Sea.
- Firing up Google Scholar and browsing up to 30 results pages by searching 'Persian Sea' I've noticed that almost all search results are using the Persian Gulf in the title with the 'sea' keyword being used in the title or body like for example: " Analyses of the Persian Gulf sea surface temperature". But this alone doesn't necessarily mean that it doesn't exist right? Obviously Google Scholar would present relevant mostly-recent scientific papers. Wanting to be impartial here and to put myself in @Basp1 + @HistoricalNameisPersianSea shoes I figured perhaps when they mention that it's a historical term then it would be a niche thing perhaps mentioned in Persian and Arabic sources in historical contexts or some islamic medieval sources for all we know. So that leaves us with reviewing the sources posted by @Basp1 and @HistoricalNameisPersianSea during their WP:WAR edits...
- → Down the rabbit hole: It seems that out of perceived urgency to WP:RGW @HNiPS wanted to present the Persian Sea as an alternative name in the article introduction ( Diff) and then subsequently changed the article name by using the redirection we're discussing here ( Diff), both seems to be built around a main source, which is http://www.persiangulfstudies.com/ a self proclaimed " institute of Historical, Geographical, Geopolitical and Strategic Studies of the Persian Gulf". And specifically this article titled: Makran Sea/Gulf of Oman. From their About Us page the "institute" raise some concerning red flags and I'm not only referring to their neutrality, but some 'odd' remarks as well: Aryan Races have been the first noble dwellers on the green earth to settle in this land and make true subjects to God.? and Persian Gulf since ancient civilizations, due to lack of culture in Arabian Peninsula, always was an essential and Inseparable part of Iran... which strike me as eerily similar to some remarks @HNiPS wrote while editing which makes me question whether it's WP:Advocacy? and if @HNiPS was promoting the conspiracy theory website. Regardless, even the article they have used lead us to nowhere with the whole redirection fiasco, and the article seems to confuse the Gulf of Oman with the Arabian Sea which looks like a pattern as well (So should we make Gulf of Oman a third option? /JK).
- Finally, I agree with @ Tamzin and @ Tol that whatever the outcome is, some form of protection is needed for the redirection pages. It looks like @ EdJohnston have just protected the main article as well. And sorry for the wall-of-text y'all it became my habit :p — ♾️ Contemporary Nomad(💬 Talk) 20:46, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- I don't believe Arabian Sea should be redirected because the body of water officially is Arabia sea . the big problem is that historically in persian and Arabic text and deeds it was called persian sea (Bahre fars=bahre Ajam) and some text called it macran sea until 18 century. and the Turks call it Oman sea so only this historical facts should be written and told to readers of the Arabian sea . if this have been done then not necessary to redirect to any other page . reading persian text or Arabic text by google is not correct and you should not judge the article by google translate the sentences that you thing is not reliable or 'odd' remarks in that article infact are mentioned from medieval geographical Arabic text book and it is history text not for any judgment. but the researchers should know the background of the name of [[Arabian sea] we should not Censorship or omitting the historical issues and facts is not the work of Wikipedia 00:57, 19 May 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Basp1 (talk • contribs)
- I originally wrote this in reply to A Contemporary Nomad on my talk page but this belongs here. I'm going by the Persian Gulf naming dispute article, which describes various historic names that different cultures have assigned to various bodies of water around the Arabian peninsula since antiquity. I have no interest in trying to "settle" the dispute, that's not Wikipedia's purpose, and I'm just assuming that the articles on the bodies of water (Persian Gulf, Gulf of Oman, Arabian Sea, also the Gulf of Aden, Red Sea, and Indian Ocean come up in this) are appropriately titled, despite all of those bodies of water having had different names in the past. Basically, I looked at the gallery of maps in that article for any appearances of "Persian Sea" or "Mare Persicus" (many of the maps are Latin). Those are:
- File:Basra-ps64.JPG: "Persian Sea" marks what we call the Arabian Sea
- File:Map of persia.jpg: same as above
- File:Persian(IRAN) Empire 1747.jpg: same as above
- File:Asia_in_the_shape_of_the_mythical_winged_horse_Pegasus..jpg: this one has a Mare Persicum (Persian Sea) and a Sinus Persicus (Persian Gulf), as well as a separate Oceanus Indicus (Indian Ocean), but it's not clear what bodies of water are being represented since the map is rendered in the shape of a horse. (Unrelated: Two Medieval Monks Invent Maps)
- File:Amsterdam1685..jpg: this one has Sinus Persicus for the Persian Gulf, and Golfo di Persia for the northern part of the Indian Ocean that we describe in Arabian Sea, as well as a separate Mare Arabicum. This one is strange because "Golfo di Persia" is in (I think) Italian while everything else on this map is labelled in Latin.
- File:Detailed_map_of_Asia..jpg: same as above except Golfo di Persia is Mare Persicum here. On this one it kind of looks like Mare Persicum includes the Gulf of Oman while Mare Arabicum includes the Gulf of Aden.
- Those are all the ones in that gallery that have a body of water labelled Persian Sea or Mare Persicum, and the body of water labelled is always what Wikipedia describes as the Arabian Sea. It is never, not once, used to label the Persian Gulf - the gulf is occasionally labelled a sea or mare but never the Persian sea. It could be that Arabic maritime terminology doesn't distinguish between a sea and a gulf in the same way that western European languages tend to, but I can't comment on that.
- I know this is WP:OR but it's all the evidence I can come up with for where the redirect should point. The many historical names for the other bodies of water are entirely irrelevant to this discussion. Ivanvector's squirrel ( trees/ nuts) 14:41, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- @ Ivanvector I think you misunderstood me I'm not against redirecting the articles to the Arabian Sea nor am I interested in settling the matter either.
- As for the maps if I'm not mistaken 1 2 3 4 could also be referring to the Gulf of Oman. And I'm pretty certain that this one File:Amsterdam1685..jpg is pointing at the Gulf of Oman. This is also consistent with the article used by the WP:WAR parties that specifically points out that the Gulf of Oman was called the Sea of Makran and the Persian Sea although that website is WP:QS but it does give us a glimpse on what the nationalists argue for. Excerpts from the article: ' Mokran Sea (Oman sea) is located in southeast of Iran which, in fact, is the continuation of Indian Ocean. It is limited to Iran’s coast from north and to Arabia Sea and Oman from south.' ' There are about 10 ancient maps from Greeks, which named the Mokran Sea and Persian Gulf together as the Pars Sea. But after Arabs raid to Iran, and because Iranian have lost their previous political powers, many changes have been made in geographical names of Iran’s Sea' This part was also copied directly from the article and posted in the introduction. And here the article author points out that writers and researchers should use the name in reply to Arabs nonsense about " South of Persian Gulf" ?: However, given the fact that the most coast of this sea is located in Iran and great civilization such as Shahr-e SoKhte, and Jiroft, which were from second millenary B.C and located here, so it is worthy to get its real name “Mokran” and writers and researchers should use this historic name in reply to Arabs' nonsense talking about south of Persian Gulf.
- @Ivanvector: The many historical names for the other bodies of water are entirely irrelevant to this discussion. I don't think anyone suggested that or brought it up if I'm not mistaken. As for drawing connection between the maps and the redirect being WP:OR I do agree. But most importantly doesn't this bring the Gulf of Oman into the confusion as well? Before ending my comment I just wanted to stress again that I'm not taking a position in this debate and in fact was actually leaning toward @ Ivanvector argument solely for the gulf-sea naming issue but I also wanted to be skeptic toward the nationalist position which I think the closer have to take into account as well. It could be that Arabic maritime terminology doesn't distinguish between a sea and a gulf in the same way that western European languages tend to. I'm pretty sure Arabs did distinguish between Ocean محيط - Sea بحر - Gulf خليج - and even Bay جون. For example Medieval Arab historians referred to the Persian Gulf as Khaleeji-Al-Ajam (Gulf of the Ajams) Ajam means foreign but also came to refer to Persians specifically. The Arabian Sea/Indian Ocean was called Al-Bahr Al-Akhdar (The green sea) and the Atlantic Ocean as Muheet Al-Dulmat (The dark ocean) Muheet also means 'never ending reaches'. But I'm not sure what Arabic let alone classical Arabic has to do with this argument or the English Wikipedia article names? — ♾️ Contemporary Nomad(💬 Talk) 17:11, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- The Arabic terminology matters if it could cause confusion in its translation into English. For example if these words all translated into basically the same word in a foreign language then it would make sense that translating back into English would cause confusion as to which Persian [body of water] the name refers to, among speakers of the foreign language. I agree that does not appear to be the case here. As for the Gulf of Oman, you're right that several of these maps include it in what they label "Persian Sea", but none of them apply the label to just the Gulf of Oman, so I still think Arabian Sea is the better target.
- The idea that the entire area has in the past been referred to as one body of water named "Persian Sea" has some merit: it essentially follows the Greeks' naming of everything from the Red Sea through to the Persian Gulf and much of the maritime route to India as the Erythraean Sea, though I don't think that's a suitable target either as it's about ancient Greek geography and doesn't mention Persian influence at all. Ivanvector's squirrel ( trees/ nuts) 18:21, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps a disambiguation page? Persian sea → Persian Sea → Persian Sea (disambiguation). List the Gulf of Oman, the Arabian Sea, and the Erythraean Sea articles with a short description. And a hatnote to the Persian Gulf article? — ♾️ Contemporary Nomad(💬 Talk) 18:34, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- My problem with disambiguating is lack of information at the possible target articles. That is, we can generally see that several different bodies of water have been called "Persian Sea" in history, but there's little discussion of it on Wikipedia other than passing mentions, quotes in historical bios (e.g. Qatif mentions it in a quote which is clearly referring to the Persian Gulf), and things that SPAs have edited to articles like Gulf of Oman without any sourcing. An ideal solution perhaps is to create a set index article encyclopedically discussing the situation, with any reliable sources we're able to find. I'm wary of the "Persian Gulf Studies" source - I think there's some good info there but I also think it's clearly holding an Iranian nationalist POV. If we can find a better variety of sources like that, then we could be on to something. Ivanvector's squirrel ( trees/ nuts) 17:04, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Honestly I don't see much of a difference between disambiguating or going WP:SIA here. A disambiguation page might have the benefit of not needing to find sources and leave that to the destination pages, much like the situation at the Arabian Gulf page — ♾️ Contemporary Nomad(💬 Talk) 21:09, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Well yes, that's kind of my point: most of the appearances of "Persian Sea" in articles that we could disambiguate are currently entirely unsourced. Ivanvector's squirrel ( trees/ nuts) 14:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Honestly I don't see much of a difference between disambiguating or going WP:SIA here. A disambiguation page might have the benefit of not needing to find sources and leave that to the destination pages, much like the situation at the Arabian Gulf page — ♾️ Contemporary Nomad(💬 Talk) 21:09, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- My problem with disambiguating is lack of information at the possible target articles. That is, we can generally see that several different bodies of water have been called "Persian Sea" in history, but there's little discussion of it on Wikipedia other than passing mentions, quotes in historical bios (e.g. Qatif mentions it in a quote which is clearly referring to the Persian Gulf), and things that SPAs have edited to articles like Gulf of Oman without any sourcing. An ideal solution perhaps is to create a set index article encyclopedically discussing the situation, with any reliable sources we're able to find. I'm wary of the "Persian Gulf Studies" source - I think there's some good info there but I also think it's clearly holding an Iranian nationalist POV. If we can find a better variety of sources like that, then we could be on to something. Ivanvector's squirrel ( trees/ nuts) 17:04, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps a disambiguation page? Persian sea → Persian Sea → Persian Sea (disambiguation). List the Gulf of Oman, the Arabian Sea, and the Erythraean Sea articles with a short description. And a hatnote to the Persian Gulf article? — ♾️ Contemporary Nomad(💬 Talk) 18:34, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Ivanvector: The many historical names for the other bodies of water are entirely irrelevant to this discussion. I don't think anyone suggested that or brought it up if I'm not mistaken. As for drawing connection between the maps and the redirect being WP:OR I do agree. But most importantly doesn't this bring the Gulf of Oman into the confusion as well? Before ending my comment I just wanted to stress again that I'm not taking a position in this debate and in fact was actually leaning toward @ Ivanvector argument solely for the gulf-sea naming issue but I also wanted to be skeptic toward the nationalist position which I think the closer have to take into account as well. It could be that Arabic maritime terminology doesn't distinguish between a sea and a gulf in the same way that western European languages tend to. I'm pretty sure Arabs did distinguish between Ocean محيط - Sea بحر - Gulf خليج - and even Bay جون. For example Medieval Arab historians referred to the Persian Gulf as Khaleeji-Al-Ajam (Gulf of the Ajams) Ajam means foreign but also came to refer to Persians specifically. The Arabian Sea/Indian Ocean was called Al-Bahr Al-Akhdar (The green sea) and the Atlantic Ocean as Muheet Al-Dulmat (The dark ocean) Muheet also means 'never ending reaches'. But I'm not sure what Arabic let alone classical Arabic has to do with this argument or the English Wikipedia article names? — ♾️ Contemporary Nomad(💬 Talk) 17:11, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Disambig. Persian Sea seems like a perfect candidate for a disambiguation page, listing all possible meanings of the name, with Persian sea redirecting to it. Bazonka (talk) 21:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- As helpful as A Contemporary Nomad's and Ivanvector's research has been, I think looking at ancient maps was a distraction. This clearly concerns a national-political dispute, probably the Iran–Saudi one. We don't need to make Persian Sea into a disambiguation page because ancient people who didn't really understand the geography used their terms imprecisely. Everyone here is clearly using Persian Sea for the Arabian one; let's just retarget there, tag it from {{R from alternative name}} or maybe {{R from non-neutral name}}, protect the redirects, add a hatnote pointing to Persian Gulf, and be done. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 21:20, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep the first, retarget the second to Arabian Sea per Ivanvector. Ideally, we could add this name to Arabian Sea#Alternative names, which will both improve the article generally and help prevent this from coming up again at RfD down the road. --BDD (talk) 16:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- @BDD: I think you mean retarget the first (which currently targets Persian Gulf), keep the second (which currently already targets Arabian Sea)? Ivanvector's squirrel ( trees/ nuts) 12:43, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, thanks. -- BDD ( talk) 15:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- @BDD: I think you mean retarget the first (which currently targets Persian Gulf), keep the second (which currently already targets Arabian Sea)? Ivanvector's squirrel ( trees/ nuts) 12:43, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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Celia (footballer)
- Celia (footballer) → Celia Jiménez (footballer) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I don't see any indication at the target page, nor in a Google search, that Jiménez is ever referred to mononymously (although mononyms are a bit hard to search for). In light of that, I don't see why this would more likely refer to Jiménez than to Célia Šašić, whose name is frequently rendered without diacritics (e.g. in this official FIFA article). Furthermore, mononym+parenthetical disambiguation format isn't very likely as a search term. (Celia on its own is a DAB.) Thus, delete per WP:XY. If there are other footballers named Celia (or diacritic variants thereof) who we have articles on, dabbing could also be reasonable, but I've only found these two. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 23:51, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep: NWSL refers to Celia mononymously in all game reports, as does her club: https://www.nwslsoccer.com/players/celia . It's common among Spanish players (just see all the Barcelona Femini players). Seany91 (talk) 06:11, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 15:38, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Celia (given name) - there are (at least) two footballers known with the name 'Celia', Jiménez and Šašić. If Jiménez is known as "Celia" then move her article to Celia (footballer, born 1995), as is standard. GiantSnowman 15:41, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- @GiantSnowman: Celia Sasic never went by Celia mononymously, but Celia Jimenez does, so I don't understand why you would need the additional disambiguation with birth year. Seany91 (talk) 18:52, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Because they are both footballers called Celia. It's that simple. GiantSnowman 20:22, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Disagree strongly: this is over-disambiguation when only one player is known and plays mononymously. There's a bunch of footballers with the first name "Marta" and we don't add birth year to Marta (footballer). Seany91 (talk) 06:15, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- GiantSnowman's idea is definitely preferably to XY deletion, so striking my nom !vote, and leaning retarget. @Seany91: Do you have more citations showing significant mononymous use? To me, her being referred to by her first name on her athlete profile doesn't on its own establish that. With enough citations I'd be inclined to !vote your way. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 20:29, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Every game report, press release, and story from both league and club in the past 1+ year refer to her mononymously. The player also plays with mononymous name in jersey, which indicates that she is actively choosing to be identified as such (which kind of renders this entire discussion rather redundant IMO). I disagree with GS’s suggested move target above and agree that I should’ve just been bold and moved the main page rather than putting in a redirect. Seany91 (talk)<
- Someone can correct me if I'm wrong on policy here, but I believe that an article can still be moved to a title that's at RFD, right? It just moots the RFD. Of course, doesn't preclude an RM to move it back. Not necessarily saying you should do that; just a procedural note (that, again, I'm not 100% sure on). -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 20:59, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- You're not necessarily wrong on policy, though my strong first preference would be to let one discussion resolve first. If there are going to be simultaneous ones, just best to make sure everyone in each discussion knows about the other. It can still cause headaches for closers. --BDD (talk) 02:15, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment one bad thing about pointing {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}s to name pages and other set indices is that the links never show up in WP:DAILYDISAMBIG and so they tend to remain wrong for a long time, e.g. Special:WhatLinksHere/Ji-min. (Not sure how big a role that fact should play in this discussion, just wanted to point it out.) 61.239.39.90 (talk) 11:51, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget or DAB There is a Raffaele Celia too. And Célia Šašić's article says that she did use her first name on her shirt, at least at club level. But the Latin predilection for putting first names on their shirts doesn't necessarily mean they are "mononymous", any more than someone with their surname on their shirt is known mononymously as their surname. The correct/current NWSL link seems to be: https://www.nwslsoccer.com/players/celia-jim%C3%A9nez-delgado/stats . The only news articles I could find specifically about her on there were [36] and [37], both of which address her as Celia Jiménez Delgado? Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 17:37, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and again the actual NWSL profile you already cited, among others... Seany91 (talk) 14:50, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Celia (given name) per GiantSnowman, though note that we actually need to add the footballers there (and the list of people could use some brushing up besides). The discussion has adequately demonstrated for me that there is more than one footballer known mononymously as Celia—a shirt name is enough evidence for me. --BDD (talk) 16:06, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- If this is the standard you're gonna have to do a lot of disambiguation with Spanish players who only have first names on shirt but don't actually go by mononymously. Seany91 ( talk) 08:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Comment: I think the OL Reign articles that Seany91 linked might be the exception; most of the articles cited by Celia Jiménez (footballer) refer to her as Jiménez or Jiménez Delgado when speaking in their own voice. It's worth noting that OL Reign is the club that she plays for; I'm not sure how being affiliated plays into their weight when ascertaining naming conventions. I was initially inclined to vote to disambiguate Celia (footballer) because we can't redirect it to a dab page that includes both Celia Jiménez (footballer) and Raffaele Celia, but now I'm not sure what to do. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 16:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- There is clearly a change from the club's side to start consistently refer to her as "Celia" mononymously around the same time that Quinn publicly stated their wish to stop being deadnamed. Obviously the two situations are not the same, but at least my personal opinion on such cases is consistent: when a player has clearly (or appeared to have, based on club sources) expressed a desire on how they want to be referred to publicly one way or another, we should follow. This is the same when, say, a female player starts publicly using their married name (or not), and I would say this principle should go for any public figure who has an article here on WP. Seany91 (talk) 08:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
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Gaza genocide
- Gaza genocide → Gaza War (2008–2009) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not a neutral wording. Not linked from anywhere. Triggerhippie4 (talk) 03:14, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Unaware of any reliable sources that consider this particular conflict to be genocidal. If so, why this one and not the other dozen+ conflicts in Gaza. Makes no sense. -- GreenC 03:26, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. See also Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 August 10 § Gaza Holocaust. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 03:35, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Gaza War (a DAB page which has a see-also to the Gaza conflict DAB), mirroring precedent with Gaza Holocaust, and tag as {{r non-neutral}}. Google results suggest that this term is used at least occasionally, in fact probably more often than "Gaza Holocaust", but also that it's not clearly used to refer to one incident more than any other. (Retargeting to "Gaza conflict" would also be reasonable; if that's the consensus, someone should re-RFD "Gaza Holocaust".) -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 05:09, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Incorrect term for the conflict. Negligible page views. The United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict report did not mention this as a genocide. WP:RNEUTRAL does not apply. The redirect was created as a new page redirect by a now inactive user who, at the same time created the redirect Gaza massacre (which was subsequently retargeted to List of massacres in the Palestinian territories, which is fine for that redirect, but not for one that says genocide). Jay (talk) 07:48, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Retarget. A quick Google search of "Gaza genocide" returned links to a book available via Springer and a document published by a major advocacy group (Center for Constitutional Rights), so the term has at least a little bit of currency among scholars. I'm not convinced that Gaza conflict is the best target; I would prefer to target it somewhere that discusses Israel's treatment of Palestinians, which is somewhat frequently accused of amounting to ethnic cleansing. (Genocide and ethnic cleansing aren't the same, of course, but the former is sometimes used by demagogues to speak of the latter.) However, our collection of articles on the Arab-Israeli conflict is rather sprawling, so I'm not sure where to look for that information. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:53, 24 May 2021 (UTC)- I find BDD's arguments compelling, so I'm changing my vote to delete. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 16:20, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Gaza War; I largely agree with Compassionate727's reasoning, but further believe that by including "Gaza" in the search term, the reader is almost certainly looking for one of the wars in that region, rather than Israeli treatment of Palestinians more broadly. signed, Rosguill talk 19:13, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I don't want to second-guess the "Gaza Holocaust" close, but this should really point somewhere where accusations of genocide vis-à-vis Palestinians are discussed. I was surprised to not be able to find such content on Wikipedia currently. The closest thing I could find was The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, but that's a specific book. Retargeting to Gaza War is far too squishy for me, because what are we suggesting? Each one is a genocide? Taken together, they add up to a genocide? That blasts past WP:RNEUTRAL into WP:OR/WP:SYNTH, and note that the only thing close to a mention of genocide at any of those articles is a quotation at 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis about "genocidal songs of vengeance". --BDD (talk) 16:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
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Business Information Systems
- Business Information Systems → Management information system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Business Information System → Management information system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"Business Information System" is not mentioned at the target in plural, singular, capitalised or uncapitalised forms. Is there a better target, or should these redirects be deleted as ambiguous (with, for example, YTJ (Finnish government service))? Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:48, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Keep. It is a plausible search term for the subject of the article, so it is fine for the redirect to exist, even if it is not mentioned at the target. WP:HARMLESS. SCP-053 (talk) 02:29, 15 April 2021 (UTC)- SCP-053 I don't believe these are the same thing, I'm certainly not seeing them being used in an interchangeable way with a google search. 86.23.109.101 ( talk) 18:22, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
- — SCP-053 (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Waitemata (talk · contribs). -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 22:01, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- The primary usage I seem to be getting when I search for these terms relates to the Bachelor of Business Information Systems degree, but I'm not sure that retargeting there would be appropriate. I'm leaning towards deletion. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 18:22, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 18:00, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Information system; there can be a hatnote linking to YTJ (Finnish government service). Peter James (talk) 17:22, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: One more go...
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- Business Information Systems - Retarget to Enterprise information system.
- Business Information System - Disambig to Enterprise information system and YTJ (Finnish government service). Jay ( talk) 16:29, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Disambiguate Business Information System, retarget Business Information Systems along the lines proposed by Jay. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:06, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Information system, the general overview of the topic. -- Tavix (talk) 19:52, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to Information system with a hatnote to the Finnish service. These fields are so laden with jargon, it's going to be very difficult to meaningfully distinguish between business/enterprise/management information systems. The others are linked from Information system, at least. --BDD (talk) 15:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
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COVID-19 Hospital
- COVID-19 Hospital → SevenHills Hospital#COVID-19 hospital (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is too specific a topic for the redirect title. feminist (talk) 05:45, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- Comment At one point, this page did have text on it: [38]. However, I agree that the current target should be deleted or changed; perhaps Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on hospitals? AllegedlyHuman (talk) 06:49, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- Comment to me this title refers to hospitals specifically set up for COVID-19, like the NHS Nightingale hospitals, or the insta-build hospitals in China, and not a specific hospital in particular. If this article is to exist, it should be a list of such hospitals or point to such a list. -- 67.70.27.246 (talk) 07:09, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- With a quick search, I found two articles on temporary hospitals with a COVID focus: Fangcang hospital for China, and COVID-19 hospitals in the United Kingdom. I don't think we have anything on temporary buildings or structures generally (hence my nomination of Temporary structure above), let alone hospitals. The base COVID-19 pandemic has links to the British and Chinese uses, but would require further searching to locate within the article. Besides the current target, Category:Hospitals established for the COVID-19 pandemic has relevant content, so maybe the best solution would be a disambiguation page, which could eventually progress (perhaps via WP:CONCEPTDAB) to a real article. --BDD (talk) 19:02, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- Unsuitable redirect (and bad caps for an article/dab-page title) since there are too many possible meanings. Whether any of the proposed alternatives are more acceptable is another question. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:58, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- Disambig per BDD with at least COVID-19 hospitals in the United Kingdom, Hospital ships involved in the COVID-19 pandemic, Fangcang hospital and a link to the category listed. Pedantically the dab should be at a title something like Covid-19 hospitals but wherever the dab is this title is a useful search term than should redirect to it. Thryduulf (talk) 02:35, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Renameto Covid-19 hospitals per Thryduulf. And that can redirect to Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on hospitals per AllegedlyHuman. I would like to see that article dealing with new hospitals set up for Covid as well as existing hospitals modified to treat Covid. Jay (talk) 04:54, 27 April 2021 (UTC)- Move to "Covid-19 hospitals" and then Delete "COVID-19 Hospital". Jay ( talk) 12:23, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- WP:MOVEREDIRECT. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 05:53, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- No clue on what that guide is trying to say, however I changed the vote to clarify what I meant by rename. Jay ( talk) 12:23, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- Moving redirects is pretty much benefitless. Just create a new redirect. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:15, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- Moving preserves page history, and the redirect has a lot because it was a merge with the target, before the redirect happened. Jay ( talk) 19:55, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- There's no point in moving the redirect anyway because COVID-19 Hospital is a completely normal search term that shouldn't be deleted. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 20:47, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, it's a normal search term, but there needn't be a page with that search term. Jay ( talk) 21:41, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Why not? — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 22:14, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, it's a normal search term, but there needn't be a page with that search term. Jay ( talk) 21:41, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- There's no point in moving the redirect anyway because COVID-19 Hospital is a completely normal search term that shouldn't be deleted. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 20:47, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Moving preserves page history, and the redirect has a lot because it was a merge with the target, before the redirect happened. Jay ( talk) 19:55, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- Moving redirects is pretty much benefitless. Just create a new redirect. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:15, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- No clue on what that guide is trying to say, however I changed the vote to clarify what I meant by rename. Jay ( talk) 12:23, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 02:42, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as ambiguous and likely to cause confusion. Someone can create a disambiguation page or SIA at Covid-19 hospitals if they wish. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:17, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per Thryduulf. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:08, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Shortages related to the COVID-19 pandemic#Hospitals, where this is discussed. -- Tavix (talk) 19:49, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Create DAB at COVID-19 hospital with the contents described by Thryduulf. Retarget this there. Although perhaps that's semantics, since if this is dabified anyone can just move it as a normal WP:TITLE-compliance matter. I'll note, though, that I think there's quite likely a valid full-fledged article to be had on this topic, and hope that the DAB page becomes that eventually. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 20:01, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Retarget to Shortages related to the COVID-19 pandemic#Hospitals per Tavix. I support some sort of disambiguation ultimately, and a temporary hospital isn't necessarily connected to a shortage, but as a temporary (ha!) solution, retargeting sounds good. --BDD (talk) 15:45, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Going green
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 18#Going green